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Post by franco on Jul 31, 2020 16:14:49 GMT
Anyone have a spare or unused one they want to sell? Having difficultly finding one that isn’t abroad and/or ridiculous expensive. One like this  Thanks. |
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Post by cusqueno on Jul 31, 2020 17:56:34 GMT
Anyone have a spare or unused one they want to sell? Having difficultly finding one that isn’t abroad and/or ridiculous expensive. One like this Thanks. Wow. You're right. Some of the prices - and shipping costs - are crazy expensive. Would a Park FR-2 work? They are said to be for SunTour two prong blocks but if they would work they are a bit cheaper. Or this Cyclus tool - which does say it's for Regina? I'm pretty sure I don't have a Regina / two prong tool, although I do have a Regina block on one of my bikes. |
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Post by franco on Jul 31, 2020 18:03:51 GMT
Anyone have a spare or unused one they want to sell? Having difficultly finding one that isn’t abroad and/or ridiculous expensive. One like this Thanks. Wow. You're right. Some of the prices - and shipping costs - are crazy expensive. Would a Park FR-2 work? They are said to be for SunTour two prong blocks but if they would work they are a bit cheaper. Or this Cyclus tool - which does say it's for Regina? I'm pretty sure I don't have a Regina / two prong tool, although I do have a Regina block on one of my bikes. The notches look slightly different on both of those cusqueno. From what I’ve read the old Regina blocks are a pain to get off and sometimes break in the process, so the tool needs to be correct and held on tightly with a qr skewer. It’s a shame really, it’s a nice block in good condition but 24T max limits where I can take the bike. |
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Post by rodh on Jul 31, 2020 18:12:23 GMT
I think I have a tool that might help you, but I've lent it to another list member.
I'll try to get it back and send you a photo so you can decide whether it's any use.
Happy to post it for a one-off, but I'd prefer to lend it than sell it.
HTH,
Rod
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Post by cusqueno on Jul 31, 2020 18:45:13 GMT
Franco, you're right about damaging Regina blocks. I mashed up the notches on mine trying to remove it. Fortunately it has the right cogs for what I do and is otherwise in good condition. Just hoping I don't break any drive side spokes though.
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Post by franco on Jul 31, 2020 18:45:48 GMT
I think I have a tool that might help you, but I've lent it to another list member. I'll try to get it back and send you a photo so you can decide whether it's any use. Happy to post it for a one-off, but I'd prefer to lend it than sell it. HTH, Rod Thanks Rod, that would be great. I can’t imagine I’d ever need to use one again so don’t want to spend a lot on one and would be happy to post it back. |
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Post by franco on Jul 31, 2020 18:49:42 GMT
Franco, you're right about damaging Regina blocks. I mashed up the notches on mine trying to remove it. Fortunately it has the right cogs for what I do and is otherwise in good condition. Just hoping I don't break any drive side spokes though. It’s the first time I’ve come across one, everything I’ve owned has had either a Maillard or Shimano block. If you do have to remove it you can apparently dismantle them piece by piece. |
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Post by oldroadietehachapi on Jul 31, 2020 22:42:17 GMT
I understand these work and are a more stable tool. I saw one on ebay for $32 American.
Cheers Jim
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Post by brianbutler on Aug 1, 2020 0:22:37 GMT
What are the dimensions - diameter of ring, height of the notches, width of the notches? I have many freewheel removal tools and can measure to see if any of them would work, and particularly if the FR-2 would work.
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Post by franco on Aug 1, 2020 7:55:10 GMT
Jim - Thanks for the suggestion, found one on uk eBay, expensive for a one off tool though link
Brian - I’ll have to take the wheel off to measure the dimensions. The notches on the Suntour removers are visibly smaller but may work, I’m just worried if I don’t get enough purchase I could damage the freewheel. |
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Post by cusqueno on Aug 1, 2020 14:19:13 GMT
Jim - Thanks for the suggestion, found one on uk eBay, expensive for a one off tool though link
Brian - I’ll have to take the wheel off to measure the dimensions. The notches on the Suntour removers are visibly smaller but may work, I’m just worried if I don’t get enough purchase I could damage the freewheel. At £13.56 I think that this one is more expensive than the cheapest on eBay UK, but just in case. However, it comes from Spain (I think) and the postage is £9.99 on top. |
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Post by oldroadietehachapi on Aug 1, 2020 16:25:15 GMT
An old man's opinion. Investing in tools is rarely a waste of money; few things are more expensive than not having a tool that you need. The next time you find yourself going berserk over make do failures; you will agree that I am right (at least this time).
Cheers
Jim
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Post by franco on Aug 1, 2020 17:06:08 GMT
Jim - Thanks for the suggestion, found one on uk eBay, expensive for a one off tool though link
Brian - I’ll have to take the wheel off to measure the dimensions. The notches on the Suntour removers are visibly smaller but may work, I’m just worried if I don’t get enough purchase I could damage the freewheel. At £13.56 I think that this one is more expensive than the cheapest on eBay UK, but just in case. However, it comes from Spain (I think) and the postage is £9.99 on top. I looked at that one earlier and choked on my tea when I saw the shipping fee! I’ll keep checking eBay and all the usual places, remember struggling to find a Maillard remover then suddenly there were plenty available, same with the pre-1985 Shimano remover as well. Been out on the bike it is fitted on today and oddly I didn’t really struggle to say it’s 24T, only 10 miles though, might be a different story on a longer ride. |
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Post by rodh on Aug 1, 2020 21:22:38 GMT
Sorry to get your hopes up if this doesn't work out, but I think my tool is for a suntour.
I'll measure it as soon as I get it in hand.
Might be worth getting a pic of your freewheel too ... some Reginas has a raised ring which blocked the use of simple 2 peg tools, requiring a special tool with a ring and two recessed pegs to match the two notches on the freewheel itself.
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Post by franco on Aug 1, 2020 21:42:33 GMT
Thanks Rod, no worries, I’ll get a pic up tomorrow.  |
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Post by franco on Aug 2, 2020 11:16:30 GMT
Rod and Brian, I’ve found a Suntour FR-2 for £8 so thought I’d give that a go, worth having the tool at that price too. I’ll report back when I get it. Thanks for the help everyone. pics   |
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Post by brianbutler on Aug 2, 2020 20:35:53 GMT
The FR-2 looks a bit too big in diameter:
It would catch a sliver of the freewheel notches, maybe just enough to damage them. Also not sure how you would center it. I forget what I was taking apart, but one time I clamped a rectangular piece of steel into the vise and bridged the notches of whatever it was. In that case I was lucky to find a piece of steel that would work. If you have sufficient junk lying about you might find something.
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Post by franco on Aug 2, 2020 21:12:35 GMT
The FR-2 looks a bit too big in diameter:
It would catch a sliver of the freewheel notches, maybe just enough to damage them. Also not sure how you would center it. I forget what I was taking apart, but one time I clamped a rectangular piece of steel into the vise and bridged the notches of whatever it was. In that case I was lucky to find a piece of steel that would work. If you have sufficient junk lying about you might find something.
Thanks Brian. If there isn’t enough purchase with the FR-2 I won’t even attempt it. |
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Post by franco on Aug 3, 2020 10:54:57 GMT
Franco, you're right about damaging Regina blocks. I mashed up the notches on mine trying to remove it. Fortunately it has the right cogs for what I do and is otherwise in good condition. Just hoping I don't break any drive side spokes though. I’ve just joined your club! Managed to borrow a Regina remover from the old LBS this morning, did everything right like using a skewer to hold it in place and it just chewed the ring up. One of them ‘you can’t win em all’ moments. Looks like I’m living with it for now. |
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Post by brianbutler on Aug 3, 2020 11:17:59 GMT
Franco, can you post a picture of the damaged ring, and maybe the removal tool if you still have it. This problem intrigues me and I would like to see what goes wrong.
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Post by franco on Aug 3, 2020 12:07:40 GMT
Franco, can you post a picture of the damaged ring, and maybe the removal tool if you still have it. This problem intrigues me and I would like to see what goes wrong. I’ve just took the tool back Brian, sorry. But here’s the ring...   Whether the tool moved slightly under pressure I don’t know but I think the dura ace remover sounds a better design as it cups the ring. I certainly wouldn’t attempt another with the original tool, no wonder all the old bike mechanics disliked the design. |
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Post by franco on Aug 19, 2020 19:05:34 GMT
Here’s a last resort tutorial video (Not mine) on removing these freewheels if anyone else has similar problems in the future.
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Post by franco on Aug 30, 2020 11:36:35 GMT
I went last resort as I decided I want these wheels on my Aerospace Pro (they are clean with the high flange hubs) but the Regina doesn’t have enough range for that bike. It came off easier than I thought. As the above video suggests, remove the lockring with a punch (clockwise), lift the unit off the base, then take the base off the wheel with a pipe wrench. A shame to lose a decent freewheel but no other option.  |
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Post by brianbutler on Sept 5, 2020 1:27:41 GMT
You have all the parts and could put it back together. It is actually a fairly easy job.
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Post by franco on Sept 5, 2020 13:11:28 GMT
I agree Brian, it’s the first freewheel I’ve taken apart and the whole thing is much more basic than I imagined.
I’ll inspect to see if the pipe wrench damaged anything (the only way of gripping it was where the pawls go), if not I’ll put it back together.
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Post by brianbutler on Nov 1, 2020 0:43:06 GMT
I am reviving this thread because I figured out a technique to remove these freewheels with a standard Park FR-2 remover and without destroying the freewheel. The Carton Catalina has an Atom freewheel with a ring and notches like the Regina. I also have a broken spoke on the drive side, not to mention the freewheel is not very free.
With the wheel intact, remove the freewheel lock ring by loosening with a punch and spinning off clockwise. Lift off the cluster over a box. Save all the ball bearings, pawls, and spacers that fall out. The notched ring is now completelyexposed.
Increase the width of the notches to match the FR-2 (about 1mm more) by filing the trailing edge of the notch, i.e. the one that will not be under pressure when removing the freewheel with the FR-2. I used a small grinding stone on the Dremel but a file would also work. Touch up the leading edge to make it square and flat if you are fanatical.
Next, set the FR-2 on the notches and place a band clamp tightly around the joint. This prevents the FR-2 tabs from getting out of alignment with the notches, which seems to be a factor in the frequent stripping of the notches.
Finally, secure the assembly with a quick release or threaded rod and washers.
Put it in a vise and turn the wheel counterclockwise.
Rebuild the freewheel if you want to reuse it. This is not as daunting as it sounds and you end up with a good-as-new freewheel.
Brian
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Post by franco on Nov 1, 2020 13:35:46 GMT
I think the FR2 is a smaller diameter than the Regina remover, but it fits Suntour blocks perfectly.
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Post by franco on Nov 1, 2020 13:59:33 GMT
That’s a good idea though Brian, I need to pick up some threaded rod, nuts and washers, seems to be really useful for a multiple of jobs on a bike.
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Post by brianbutler on Nov 1, 2020 15:50:17 GMT
I think the FR2 is a smaller diameter than the Regina remover, but it fits Suntour blocks perfectly. Looking at your previous photos of measurements, you are right about the diameter despite the fact that your notches are already wide enough for the FR-2 so portions of my technique will not work on the Regina freewheel. It works for the Atom freewheel, which I had not encountered before.
The bit about putting a band clamp around the tool and notched rim has merit, which requires taking apart the freewheel before attempting it.
Brian
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Post by franco on Nov 1, 2020 15:58:53 GMT
It’s all useful to know.
I’ve never come across an Atom freewheel either but I’ve noticed some websites say the Suntour remover also works on Atom.
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