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Post by soothsayer on Jul 5, 2014 16:59:21 GMT
My Viscount GP rear wheel gets pinned to the frame immediately when you put pressure on the pedals. Thinking of changing the original Viscount quick release because I don't think it's biting enough. Is there anything different about the quick release? |
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Post by raymondo on Jul 5, 2014 18:24:35 GMT
I have the same bike and the release looks the same. Won't it not tighten a little then push the release lever. The skewer may be stretched, or a thread crossed, not allowing tightening.
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Post by cusqueno on Jul 5, 2014 20:14:39 GMT
The Viscount skewer Q/R lever is not, in my experience, the greatest; but it can usually be made to work. If you can't adjust it to bite, it's possible that the axle is slightly too long on one side. This would mean that the Q/R tightens on the end of the axle instead of on the drop out and so the wheel wouldn't be held firmly. You could adjust the axle within the wheel to shorten the offending side (being careful not to go too far the other way) Or simply cut off a bit with a hack saw.
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Post by Stella on Jul 5, 2014 20:17:05 GMT
Hello and welcome. I'm not sure I understand the problem. Does the wheel move when you start pedalling, meaning the angle changes and the rear wheels rubs on the seat stays?
The QR skewers were made for the bike, so they should work just fine. At a chance of sounding patronising, which is not my intention: have you tightened the non-lever side accordingly before pushing the lever to close the QR? I'm just saying that because I've seen many customers who didn't really know how to close a QR. Many do them either too tight, or too loose.
Apologies if this is clear, but you need to keep the QR lever open, then turn the other side a few threads, then test if the lever has more and more resistance when pushing down. You should be able to tighten it by hand, but with some effort.
Good luck and please report back. Maybe there's something we don't see. It can be that someone's tinkered with the frame and bent it open to take a longer axle, then a QR skewer won't be able to hold the wheel in place. A few millimetres would be enough to have an impact.
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Post by Stella on Jul 5, 2014 20:18:21 GMT
I have the same bike and the release looks the same. Won't it not tighten a little then push the release lever. The skewer may be stretched, or a thread crossed, not allowing tightening. Love your new avatar. :-) Such a pretty bike! Still in awe as my Lambert looks rather ragged. |
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Post by soothsayer on Jul 5, 2014 20:40:47 GMT
Thanks everyone for the replies.
I tightened the screw side before the lever side but as soon as there is a forceful push on the pedals the chain side shifts forward and the wheel tilts and hits the seat stays.
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Post by Stella on Jul 5, 2014 21:03:31 GMT
Thanks everyone for the replies. I tightened the screw side before the lever side but as soon as there is a forceful push on the pedals the chain side shifts forward and the wheel tilts and hits the seat stays. Hey, thanks for not being offended. As I said I didn't mean to. ;-) A quick fix would be either another thin spacer onto the axle (or replace the current one with a bigger one) or washers between lock nut and drop out. Maybe check the dropouts. Are they 126? If they're 130, someone's tempered with the rear triangle. You can 'easily' cold set the frame back to 126. No big deal for a few millimetres. Or, if that's not the case, do as Cusqueno suggested. Nothing more annoying than wanting to go for a ride and having to stop every few metres to adjust the rear wheel. Hope it works out fine. Those bikes are a joy to ride, providing the set up's perfect. :-) |
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Post by soothsayer on Jul 5, 2014 21:23:12 GMT
Thank you for the help! This is my second GP. I worked at a hi-fi store back in the day that sold Yamaha and when the bikes came out they offered the bikes at incredible savings to the employees. I did a few century races with it (40 years ago). I put black Dura-ace components brakes, derailleur and freewheel on the bike. I'm dropping some weight and thinking riding again. |
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Post by bendo on Jul 6, 2014 5:34:17 GMT
Welcome Soothsayer, and welcome back to Viscounts! This one reason I love axle-adjusters so much.
And DA all the way! b
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Post by cusqueno on Jul 6, 2014 9:16:31 GMT
Soothsayer, you might be interested in my Viscount which I have kitted out with black Dura Ace components: flic.kr/p/nWoEauIt has Viscount hubs though. One forum member has a very rare Viscount that came with Dura Ace bits as standard - the Supabike. See viscountandlambert.boards.net/thread/46Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Post by soothsayer on Jul 6, 2014 22:45:09 GMT
I took the quick release out and the springs seem fine but there are no teeth to grip the dropout? The axle is definitely not sticking outside the dropouts. I didn't measure the dropout width yet. Thanks for the pics, very nice! |
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Post by soothsayer on Jul 7, 2014 11:54:29 GMT
I finally figured out how to do a close up with my camera. The teeth or knurled ends seem to be smooth, no bite. There is a little bite on the lever side but the other side is smooth (drive side). I'm thinking a new quick release. What length are they? Shimano 105?
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Post by soothsayer on Jul 7, 2014 12:10:12 GMT
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Post by Stella on Jul 7, 2014 12:30:53 GMT
Interesting. Wouldn't know an explanation to that, to be honest. Length should be for 100 and 126mm. You can find similar ones on eBay. Shame those are ruined; I love the old-style QR.
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Post by soothsayer on Jul 7, 2014 16:44:42 GMT
Thanks Stella! I'm thinking the Shimano 105, description "Designed for Shimano 105 5700 hubs but will fit any 100mm or 130mm hub." I just wanted to check with you, will it fit? :-) I like the old one too! Attachments:
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Post by Stella on Jul 7, 2014 17:31:30 GMT
130 is a tad long, but may work. Really depends on how far the threading goes to tighten the skewers. Wouldn't want to tell you anything wrong.
Velocipete, can you give a definite answer?
The bike looks stunning, by the way, shame it has a chrome fork, but then again, those seem in immaculate condition, too. Difficult to find.
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Post by soothsayer on Jul 7, 2014 17:51:17 GMT
I know I loved the original fork, the DF. It never gave me any trouble and I road a lot back then. As far as the QR length, if it's threaded long enough I could just screw it in. I like the steel teeth insert on the new quick release, I've had enough of the slipping. |
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Post by velocipete on Jul 7, 2014 17:52:29 GMT
130 and a couple of nice grippy star washers,job done.Actually,a couple of star washers
would resurrect the existing qrs,a lot less dosh.Appeals to tight northern git wot I is!!!
Cheers,
Pete
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Post by Stella on Jul 7, 2014 17:56:35 GMT
I know I loved the original fork, the DF. It never gave me any trouble and I road a lot back then. As far as the QR length, if it's threaded long enough I could just screw it in. I like the steel teeth insert on the new quick release, I've had enough of the slipping. Oh, I can hear your determination! As Pete suggested. Maybe try the washers first and see how it goes before splashing out on new QR? Good to hear that you rode the orignal forks back then. YES! The death fork is still very much ALIVE! |
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Post by stoatie on Jul 7, 2014 18:06:11 GMT
Alternatively drill a hole through the centre of a 10p coin or whatever the US equivalent is.
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Post by velocipete on Jul 7, 2014 18:11:52 GMT
That used to be a hanging offence,Defacing coin of the realm!Think it only came off the Statute Books
in about 1965ish.
Not sure about the US,they always used to"plug a nickle" in the westerns when I was a kid.
Cheers,
Pete.
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Post by soothsayer on Jul 7, 2014 23:57:22 GMT
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Post by chickenwing on Jul 12, 2014 20:47:06 GMT
I had the same problem awhile back. Turned out the tubing that was brazed on near where the drop outs are on the right on the bike was completely separated and, was some how held together because there was a little lip on one of the tubes holding it together. I didn't notice for months surprisingly. I had a buddy at an auto shop weld it real fast and its been fine since
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Post by soothsayer on Jul 13, 2014 13:06:36 GMT
The skewer worked great, no washers!
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Post by Stella on Jul 16, 2014 7:32:54 GMT
Chickenwing: oh dear! Glad he found out before you had an accident.
Soothsayer: Result!
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