Jem
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Post by Jem on Sept 23, 2022 19:10:35 GMT
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Post by brianbutler on Sept 24, 2022 1:20:09 GMT
That's another nice one. I might push the stem in a bit further.
Brian
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rodh
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Post by rodh on Sept 24, 2022 17:51:05 GMT
Mmmm, the chain's dead, but that's an easy replacement, headset's pretty rusty too, and that's not so easy. The forks look like DF's, but have a bike-light mount, so may not be. The saddle is probably not original either. As this is the blue livery AP, I'd expect tubular wheels ... hard to see from the one photo posted. The right hand pedal is missing a cap, so that looks like a traditional Viscount one (!) I wonder what size that frame is ... and what the price is ...
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Post by whippet on Sept 26, 2022 16:58:40 GMT
Looks about 23.5” and I’d say that light bracket is clamp on.
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Jem
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Post by Jem on Sept 26, 2022 19:37:21 GMT
The set up of that bike with the bars and saddle, the fact the owner thinks its 28" wheels and frame would suggest to me that he either thinks it's worth £400+ or about £30 on a good day...he's open to offers
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Post by dracco on Sept 29, 2022 8:27:26 GMT
The frame looks bigger than 23.5" but smaller than 28" to me.
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Post by rusty on Jan 6, 2023 8:25:07 GMT
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Post by rusty on Jan 6, 2023 8:47:45 GMT
Hi everybody. I’m new to this forum, but thought you’d like to know that I bought this one in December. The picture was taken YEARS ago and since then the bike must have been stored outside. Result: chain and freewheel, front derailleur, both wheels, shifters, handlebars and brakes are all lost to rust. The cross bar is almost rusted through too, and one of the chain stays is a bit dodgy. Basically - it’s a shopping/restoration list! But that’s fine - I had one in the 70s which got stolen so I’ve been keen to find a project. It is a 23+ size, grey and blue, so not sure which model it is. The only logos are Viscount.
On a positive note the chainring and cranks are good (though the bolts are rusted (does anyone know where I can source replacements?), as are the brake levers, stem, seatpost (Sturmey archer!?) and maybe the forks. These are the third generation aluminium, so I’m not sure whether to keep or replace. The frame is repairable, I think.
Any tips or hints would be much appreciated!
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Post by oldroadietehachapi on Jan 6, 2023 13:34:06 GMT
Hi everybody. I’m new to this forum, but thought you’d like to know that I bought this one in December. The picture was taken YEARS ago and since then the bike must have been stored outside. Result: chain and freewheel, front derailleur, both wheels, shifters, handlebars and brakes are all lost to rust. The cross bar is almost rusted through too, and one of the chain stays is a bit dodgy. Basically - it’s a shopping/restoration list! But that’s fine - I had one in the 70s which got stolen so I’ve been keen to find a project. It is a 23+ size, grey and blue, so not sure which model it is. The only logos are Viscount. On a positive note the chainring and cranks are good (though the bolts are rusted (does anyone know where I can source replacements?), as are the brake levers, stem, seatpost (Sturmey archer!?) and maybe the forks. These are the third generation aluminium, so I’m not sure whether to keep or replace. The frame is repairable, I think. Any tips or hints would be much appreciated! Some pictures would be helpful. If it were me, I would first disassemble the bike and clean everything. Once done, you can properly assess the project. Generally it is less expensive (than a rebuild) to buy a bike that is in excellent condition. Of course, you then would miss the self satisfaction found in bringing an old bike back from the dead; in such matters, it is more fun to follow the heart.
All the Best Jim
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Post by wheelson on Jan 6, 2023 15:04:03 GMT
I agree with Jim with respect to buying a good condition rideable bike being preferable. I’ve seldom done that, but since I’ve been a bike mechanic for 20 of nearly 50 official working years, that makes a difference. With the exception of a rusted out frame tube, most everything else is recoverable. Two difficult areas would be a stuck seat post or stem. Some minor rusted chrome and steel parts might be recovered with a chemical soak in something like Evaporust. Lambert and Viscount components here in the States (Colonies 😏) seem to have increased dramatically in the last few years as more complete bikes are being dismembered. Best, John “wheelson” Owner of 4 Viscounts and a Lambert
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Post by brianbutler on Jan 6, 2023 15:52:47 GMT
I agree with Jim and John. Take it apart and see what is wrong with each component, fork, and frame. I refurbish a lot of parts and bikes and here is my method. After disassembly, I divide components into two categories - ones that can be refurbished and ones that have too much lost material.
The former go through a process of de-greasing with mechanical scraping and wiping, followed by soaking in mineral spirits, steam, detergents, or whatever seems to dissolve this bike's particular grease, oil, and petroleum "plaque" with the least effort. Then the parts are soaked in Evaporust to remove light surface rust (plus it contains a very effective surfactant that removes residual grease/oil. Rinse in hot water and dry.
The latter usually cannot be refurbished because too much has been lost to rust and/or wear - examples are worn out chains, freewheels, chainrings, tires, cables, handlebar tape, brake hoods, brake pads, saddles and heavily rusted chrome plated parts. There is just no way to replace the lost material so these items are scrapped, although I sometimes remove hardware and small parts I might need somewhere else. Yes, always save those Suntour jockey wheels!
I do not try to restore paint and decals and leave the battle scars. This means I prefer bikes with "good enough" paint that can be brought up by polishing. Hats off to Jim, and others on this forum, who do nice paint jobs and get stunning results.
I also refurbish with period components rather than trying to find 100% original equipment. In many cases, very nice bikes of the past were originally outfitted with junk components that don't really work anyway (i.e. most saddles, Simplex plastic shifers and derailleurs, Viscount death forks, Viscount center-pull brakes, and pardon my saying, Viscount pressed bottom brackets.
Hard to say without pictures, but from the description, your bike sounds pretty rough. I would probably check the frame carefully, and if it sound, acquire a period Japanese donor bike and build a good-looking rider. If you have the Viscount pressed bottom bracket, you will have to work around that. There is a good thread on this forum about the Wheelson Hack, whereby you build a compatible and actually better pressed bottom bracket from off the shelf modern parts for about $20.
Welcome to the forum and good luck.
Brian
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Post by rusty on Jan 7, 2023 8:43:53 GMT
Thank you Brian, John and Jim - your experience and advice is much appreciated. If I can figure out how to attach photos I will!
I should have started by saying this is very much a heart over head project. The original bike cost me next to nothing but I’ll put in far more than I would ever get back, but since I’m not selling it’s not an issue. My impression is Viscounts are pretty rare in the UK. In my 62 years of riding I’ve never come across another, and most of the parts on the internet seem to be in the USA. There are two complete bikes for sale around £500, but shipping is prohibitive - £1200 if they could find a courier (which they couldn’t). So I’ve bought the only one I could find, warts and all. I’ve stripped it down over the last few weeks and am cleaning every part. I’m going to try to use original parts or replacement originals - they may not be the best, but I have several bikes for serious riding….this one is for nostalgia.
Thanks for the pointers re the axle. I haven’t got there yet but this is very useful to know. Thanks again for your help. Rusty
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Post by wheelson on Jan 7, 2023 15:39:11 GMT
I wasn’t aware that Viscount bikes and components were more prevalent in the USA than the UK. It seems here in the USA that Lambert and Viscount bike and component prices have risen exponentially in the last few years. Also, there seems to be more component “mining”, perhaps in part because of the high cost of shipping complete bikes. If anyone needs small parts, I suggest letting it be known here on the list, as well as at least your country of residence. Some small parts could be shipped even internationally for not too much, and a simple customs slip is not too difficult, especially for a low value “gift”. Best, John “wheelson” USA
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Jem
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Post by Jem on Jan 7, 2023 16:02:37 GMT
Thank you Brian, John and Jim - your experience and advice is much appreciated. If I can figure out how to attach photos I will! I should have started by saying this is very much a heart over head project. The original bike cost me next to nothing but I’ll put in far more than I would ever get back, but since I’m not selling it’s not an issue. My impression is Viscounts are pretty rare in the UK. In my 62 years of riding I’ve never come across another, and most of the parts on the internet seem to be in the USA. There are two complete bikes for sale around £500, but shipping is prohibitive - £1200 if they could find a courier (which they couldn’t). So I’ve bought the only one I could find, warts and all. I’ve stripped it down over the last few weeks and am cleaning every part. I’m going to try to use original parts or replacement originals - they may not be the best, but I have several bikes for serious riding….this one is for nostalgia. Thanks for the pointers re the axle. I haven’t got there yet but this is very useful to know. Thanks again for your help. Rusty Rusty - the forum used all of it's free photo capacity space a long time ago, and we now have to put the pictures on a place like photo bucket/flickr or something like that and then put the link in to our post here and it shows up. There is a tutorial on how to do that somewhere at the top of the forum area. It's not too hard but requires a few steps - just ask if we can be of help
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Post by rusty on Apr 3, 2023 15:59:15 GMT
Hi there. Just wanted to check in on the Sussex aerospace. The restoration is 99% complete - but I wanted to ask what crank dust covers would fit, and also what pedal dust caps? Im guessing MKS for the pedals….? Thanks for your help!
When I figure out how to show photos I will, both before and after. I had to have a new top tube on the frame, and a respray. I also sourced Viscount hubs and Rigida rims for new wheels. The headset and brake hangars were too far gone, and I had to replace with Dia Compe at the front and Shimano at the back. I went for the YST Threadless cartridge as I thought maintenance of the original was never going to be easy (and would probably damage the paintwork). The rest was a matter of cleaning and polishing and a few replacements.
Most difficult parts (and relatively expensive) to source were I think new chainring bolts. Most useful tool was definitely a Dremel for grinding out the bottom bracket shell, and grinding down the tapered axle.
More coming…. Rusty
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Jem
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Post by Jem on Apr 3, 2023 19:23:21 GMT
Rusty - sounds like a big job, congratulations on sticking with it!
Someone will come along with the chainring dust cover and pedal cap info I'm sure.
I think a new member was looking for chainring bolts for their porthole project recently - can you post up a link if possible and I'll direct him to it?
In terms of uploading photo's, it's a bit of long story, but the site won't allow any more directly up-loaded to it because we have the 'free; tier option. We ran out of space a long time ago. The only way to do it is to get something like Flickr or another free hosting account for photos and then link or embed into your post - if you need help just drop me a message and I can probably help
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Post by rusty on Apr 4, 2023 14:16:29 GMT
Hi Jem. For the hex headed bolts - Halfords Uk do a pack of 6 disc rotor bolts for just £2.49. These are perfect. The TA cyclotouriste bolts I got on eBay from a private seller but I think Spa Cycles also sell them. They’re not cheap though!
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