Jem
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Post by Jem on May 29, 2022 9:38:36 GMT
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Post by brianbutler on May 29, 2022 12:01:21 GMT
That first one IS a bargain. If I didn't already have three just like it and it weren't in the UK, I'd snap it up. Fortunately I am safe.
Brian
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Post by triitout on May 29, 2022 22:52:32 GMT
Agree with you both. First one would be my choice for being really road ready since I will never be able to wrap my head around the idea that even the Type III fork is truly safe for a daily rider. Also like the frame with only the seat tube in red. Never seen that paint scheme stateside.
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Post by wheelson on May 30, 2022 1:30:15 GMT
Agree with you both. First one would be my choice for being really road ready since I will never be able to wrap my head around the idea that even the Type III fork is truly safe for a daily rider. Also like the frame with only the seat tube in red. Never seen that paint scheme stateside. Too many spills up to and including near death to trust any questionable component on a regular basis. At 73+ years, I’m running out of fingers to count my close calls on two and four wheels. My plan is to only use Type 3, and then only a limited basis. I’ll use an easy change-out sealed cartridge headset and a lookalike steel fork for extended riding. For the DFR, I’ll use a Type 3 on the pseudo-Supa. With sew-up (sprint) tires on ancient rims, that’s pushing it for me. Best, John “wheelson” |
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Post by oldroadietehachapi on May 30, 2022 4:20:04 GMT
I have a type fork III on my Viscount. I also have a nice aluminum fork that is almost the same in appearance. For similar reasons, one day I will try it. As for the bikes, the first one seems a steal! The second seems a good price, about the same as this one in California.
Cheers Jim
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Post by brianbutler on May 30, 2022 11:59:05 GMT
Agree with you both. First one would be my choice for being really road ready since I will never be able to wrap my head around the idea that even the Type III fork is truly safe for a daily rider. Also like the frame with only the seat tube in red. Never seen that paint scheme stateside. Too many spills up to and including near death to trust any questionable component on a regular basis. At 73+ years, I’m running out of fingers to count my close calls on two and four wheels. My plan is to only use Type 3, and then only a limited basis. I’ll use an easy change-out sealed cartridge headset and a lookalike steel fork for extended riding. For the DFR, I’ll use a Type 3 on the pseudo-Supa. With sew-up (sprint) tires on ancient rims, that’s pushing it for me. Best, John “wheelson” John, are you going to wrap a spare around your shoulder for authenticity, or just carry a cell phone in your pocket.
The reason I ask is because I am in the midst of reviving a Raleigh Competition that has very nice tubular rims so I am thinking about sew-ups on that one. Not sure if I should order three tires so I have a spare, or figure out some other puncture recovery option (such as riding on smooth pavement not far from home.)
Brian
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Post by wheelson on May 30, 2022 13:28:57 GMT
Too many spills up to and including near death to trust any questionable component on a regular basis. At 73+ years, I’m running out of fingers to count my close calls on two and four wheels. My plan is to only use Type 3, and then only a limited basis. I’ll use an easy change-out sealed cartridge headset and a lookalike steel fork for extended riding. For the DFR, I’ll use a Type 3 on the pseudo-Supa. With sew-up (sprint) tires on ancient rims, that’s pushing it for me. Best, John “wheelson” John, are you going to wrap a spare around your shoulder for authenticity, or just carry a cell phone in your pocket.
The reason I ask is because I am in the midst of reviving a Raleigh Competition that has very nice tubular rims so I am thinking about sew-ups on that one. Not sure if I should order three tires so I have a spare, or figure out some other puncture recovery option (such as riding on smooth pavement not far from home.)
Brian
The sew ups I have are old and have latex tubes so they may be good for around the block! I do have several cans of a stop leak for latex tubes made by Vittoria, I think. My “spare” is an extra set of wheels from the team support, AKA the lovely Mrs. Wheelson. (Who coincidentally had a flat on her bike on a short ride yesterday). Yes, definitely have a spare tire. I’ve never been into sew ups, but thought I’d give them a go at least once. For some good advice, I highly recommend the Classic Rendezvous forum, 4000+ members worldwide, I’ve been a member for many years and seem to learn something new all the time. It has a good archive as well. In my waning cycling years, I’m getting spoiled by the concept of airless tires. I have them on two bikes and it’s a great feeling to be able to go for a worry free ride. I expect Mrs. Wheelson will make her bike a priority after yesterday’s episode. The brand we sell at the shop is Tannus, not inexpensive at 90$US per wheel installed. They will certainly be on my century attempt bike later this year. Best, John “wheelson” |
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Post by brianbutler on May 30, 2022 14:45:12 GMT
Sorry to have hijacked this thread but I'm glad it made me think about tubulars. Every time I do, I eventually come to my senses and decide against it. I measured the ERD on the tubular wheels and found it is the same as new Weinmann 27" LP18 1-inch rims, which I can buy for about $35 each. Most likely I will swap a pair of these onto the vintage wheels. I have two other bikes with LP18 wheels so it would maintain standardization within the fleet. Still thinking about it, but that makes the most sense.
Brian
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Post by oldroadietehachapi on May 30, 2022 17:34:17 GMT
I have a couple of wheelsets that are for tubular tires. (I suppose I should send the hubs to John and (if he is willing) build them into a set of clinchers. The problem is getting vintage or vintage looking rims. I have had bad experiences with tubulars. A flat is followed by prying the tire off and trying to squeeze another on; the one that was folded or hanging around your neck. Once, my spare went flat after only a few miles. That leaves cutting the tire open at the seam and then patching the tube; awful experience.
All the Best
Jim
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Post by brianbutler on May 30, 2022 19:13:35 GMT
I have a couple of wheelsets that are for tubular tires. (I suppose I should send the hubs to John and (if he is willing) build them into a set of clinchers. The problem is getting vintage or vintage looking rims. I have had bad experiences with tubulars. A flat is followed by prying the tire off and trying to squeeze another on; the one that was folded or hanging around your neck. Once, my spare went flat after only a few miles. That leaves cutting the tire open at the seam and then patching the tube; awful experience. All the Best Jim It is certainly something you have to be teed up for, and I think I am not since it would be only one bike in the collection. The result would probably be never riding it.
Brian
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Post by wheelson on May 31, 2022 0:25:03 GMT
I have a couple of wheelsets that are for tubular tires. (I suppose I should send the hubs to John and (if he is willing) build them into a set of clinchers. The problem is getting vintage or vintage looking rims. I have had bad experiences with tubulars. A flat is followed by prying the tire off and trying to squeeze another on; the one that was folded or hanging around your neck. Once, my spare went flat after only a few miles. That leaves cutting the tire open at the seam and then patching the tube; awful experience. All the Best Jim It is certainly something you have to be teed up for, and I think I am not since it would be only one bike in the collection. The result would probably be never riding it.
Brian
I have not only too many bikes but also too many wheel sets, so changing out to clinchers is not an issue. My problem is that I built up the sew up rims on my only set of black Viscount hubs, so I guess I’m obligated to do at least one ride on the pseudo-Supa along with the black Dura Ace. After that, who knows. I have no riding experience with sew ups and if it weren’t for Tufo rim tape and Vittoria “fix a flat” foam I wouldn’t even try them now. Jim, I know where you’re coming from with respect to finding good classic looking rims. I think Velo Orange and Rene Herse both have them, at least in 700C and 650B - terribly expensive, though. I refuse to buy used rims on the internet as there is no way to know what condition or the unspoking procedure. So I’m constantly on the lookout for donor bikes at the shop, especially for 27 inch rims. Best, John “wheelson” |
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Post by brianbutler on May 31, 2022 1:02:25 GMT
What makes a good vintage looking rim? I have used the Weinmann LP18 rims (brushed aluminum alloy) and the Sun Ringle CR18 rims (polished aluminum). They look OK to my eye but maybe I am missing something crucial:
They both come in 27" 36 hole configurations.
Brian
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Post by wheelson on May 31, 2022 1:29:01 GMT
What makes a good vintage looking rim? I have used the Weinmann LP18 rims (brushed aluminum alloy) and the Sun Ringle CR18 rims (polished aluminum). They look OK to my eye but maybe I am missing something crucial:
They both come in 27" 36 hole configurations.
Brian
I like the CR 18. Generally the box shape fits the bill. Best, John “wheelson” |
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Post by Jem on May 31, 2022 11:44:13 GMT
In relation to prices for the Aerospace Pro model over the past 10 years or so, I haven't kept a spreadsheet or anything , but I can 100% say that the prices on eBay in the UK have not risen at all and have maybe dropped by as much as 50%.
The original bike on this thread that I said was 'bargain of the day' on eBay for £50 or best offer would have been grabbed straightaway as a bargain in 2012, or just gone on the site at £150 starting price and sold no problem.
I think all the L'Eroica stuff pushed up demand and prices - and maybe in some small way the big long thread of Bustaste's on CTC put Viscount back in the picture for cyclists who hadn't had one back in the day, or were looking to re-live their youthful Viscount owning days?
Either way, it's a good time to pick one up if you want a great bike for not much money. (especially with petrol prices being what they are) I'd grab this one but have no more space.
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Post by wheelson on May 31, 2022 13:41:55 GMT
In relation to prices for the Aerospace Pro model over the past 10 years or so, I haven't kept a spreadsheet or anything , but I can 100% say that the prices on eBay in the UK have not risen at all and have maybe dropped by as much as 50%. The original bike on this thread that I said was 'bargain of the day' on eBay for £50 or best offer would have been grabbed straightaway as a bargain in 2012, or just gone on the site at £150 starting price and sold no problem. I think all the L'Eroica stuff pushed up demand and prices - and maybe in some small way the big long thread of Bustaste's on CTC put Viscount back in the picture for cyclists who hadn't had one back in the day, or were looking to re-live their youthful Viscount owning days? Either way, it's a good time to pick one up if you want a great bike for not much money. (especially with petrol prices being what they are) I'd grab this one but have no more space. It’s really hard to judge road bike prices here in Western Pennsylvania USA. Road bikes in general, at least the lesser expensive ‘60s - ‘70s “ten speeds” are certainly out of favor here, and are a hard sell at the shop. I would credit that to the demand for mountain and hybrid bikes, perhaps due to our large number of rail trails. The road bikers seem to be the more high tech guys. As far as prices on eBay, Viscounts remain high as do component prices for the poor bikes that were given up to maximize sales $. I still enjoy my classic bikes, owning way too many. One just has to be creative in order to adapt to needs and road conditions. For example, I modified my Austro Daimler Vent Noir ll with a 650b wheel set in order to ride it on rail trails as 700c x 23’s were a but too unstable. I did a trial fit on an Aerospace and I could do the same. Nice to know as I pare down the “herd”. Best, John “wheelson” |
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Post by oldroadietehachapi on May 31, 2022 13:42:05 GMT
In case you are shopping around. In the past, I have purchased at least a half dozen wheelsets from this eBay seller. All have been good usable wheelsets and as the seller described. The prices are reasonable, they have fast shipping and they often have vintage hardware.
Cheers Jim
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Post by wheelson on May 31, 2022 13:46:02 GMT
In case you are shopping around. In the past, I have purchased at least a half dozen wheelsets from this eBay seller. All have been good usable wheelsets and as the seller described. The prices are reasonable, they have fast shipping and they often have vintage hardware.
Cheers Jim
I too have purchased components and at least one Cannondale frameset from this dealer with good results. He has a massive inventory. Best, John “wheelson” |
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Post by brianbutler on Jun 22, 2022 15:15:26 GMT
Agree with you both. First one would be my choice for being really road ready since I will never be able to wrap my head around the idea that even the Type III fork is truly safe for a daily rider. Also like the frame with only the seat tube in red. Never seen that paint scheme stateside. Too many spills up to and including near death to trust any questionable component on a regular basis. At 73+ years, I’m running out of fingers to count my close calls on two and four wheels. My plan is to only use Type 3, and then only a limited basis. I’ll use an easy change-out sealed cartridge headset and a lookalike steel fork for extended riding. For the DFR, I’ll use a Type 3 on the pseudo-Supa. With sew-up (sprint) tires on ancient rims, that’s pushing it for me. Best, John “wheelson” John, what do you recommend for the "easy change-out sealed cartridge headset" mentioned above? I need to change the headset on a Fuji del Rey due to significant indexing after only 2000 miles. I did not clean and repack during that time and there were many dusty trails. I'd like to try a sealed cartridge if I can find one that will fit. The problem might be the JIS 27.0mm fork crown race receiver. I could potentially file it down to 26.4mm if only ISO cartridges exist. Otherwise I will replace with another cup and cone headset, use loose balls, and set up a frequent maintenance routine - but that will be a pain since this bike gets lots of miles.
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Post by wheelson on Jun 23, 2022 13:08:57 GMT
Too many spills up to and including near death to trust any questionable component on a regular basis. At 73+ years, I’m running out of fingers to count my close calls on two and four wheels. My plan is to only use Type 3, and then only a limited basis. I’ll use an easy change-out sealed cartridge headset and a lookalike steel fork for extended riding. For the DFR, I’ll use a Type 3 on the pseudo-Supa. With sew-up (sprint) tires on ancient rims, that’s pushing it for me. Best, John “wheelson” John, what do you recommend for the "easy change-out sealed cartridge headset" mentioned above? I need to change the headset on a Fuji del Rey due to significant indexing after only 2000 miles. I did not clean and repack during that time and there were many dusty trails. I'd like to try a sealed cartridge if I can find one that will fit. The problem might be the JIS 27.0mm fork crown race receiver. I could potentially file it down to 26.4mm if only ISO cartridges exist. Otherwise I will replace with another cup and cone headset, use loose balls, and set up a frequent maintenance routine - but that will be a pain since this bike gets lots of miles.
Brian
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Brian, I have a Shimano 7410 (?) on my blue Viscount. Horribly expensive but I picked it up on eBay super cheap and very slightly used. Origin8 makes a Pro model for about $40. That one has 26.4 and 27mm races included. I have had zero trouble with the Shimano one on the blue V. I plan to use one on the bikes to switch out forks because the sealed cartridges have no exposed bearings and grease. Best, John “wheelson” |
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Post by brianbutler on Jun 23, 2022 18:09:51 GMT
John, what do you recommend for the "easy change-out sealed cartridge headset" mentioned above? I need to change the headset on a Fuji del Rey due to significant indexing after only 2000 miles. I did not clean and repack during that time and there were many dusty trails. I'd like to try a sealed cartridge if I can find one that will fit. The problem might be the JIS 27.0mm fork crown race receiver. I could potentially file it down to 26.4mm if only ISO cartridges exist. Otherwise I will replace with another cup and cone headset, use loose balls, and set up a frequent maintenance routine - but that will be a pain since this bike gets lots of miles.
Brian
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Brian, I have a Shimano 7410 (?) on my blue Viscount. Horribly expensive but I picked it up on eBay super cheap and very slightly used. Origin8 makes a Pro model for about $40. That one has 26.4 and 27mm races included. I have had zero trouble with the Shimano one on the blue V. I plan to use one on the bikes to switch out forks because the sealed cartridges have no exposed bearings and grease. Best, John “wheelson” Thanks. I'll look for the Origin8 Pro.
Brian
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