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Post by Admin on Jan 24, 2021 18:46:07 GMT
By popular demand , here we have a new section dedicated to the History of Lambert and Viscount bikes, the company's that manufactured them, and the story of the factories & people who made them, and those who sold them.
Please feel free to share anecdotes, dates, names, photos and any nugget of historical fact that you have, no matter how small or large.
Hopefully, the sum of the whole will be greater than that of the parts, and the 'jigsaw' of the thread will build to be something of value for those who come seeking more information on these classic bikes and their origin.
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Post by theformeremployee on Oct 5, 2021 11:55:18 GMT
RIP - Arthur 'Archie' Wilkinson who supervised the building of literally tens of thousands of wheels used at Bilston. He passed away earlier this year. A good and amusing friend at work and always able to get the work done properly. Wheel building was a fiddly, time-consuming, labour intensive job in the days before automatic laceing and trueing machines, He organised a small army of local women, working from home or in the factory. After Bilston closed, he set up independently as Wilkinson Wheels, which was (working with his son and his 'army') a great success. The news came from Doug Pinkerton of the Pinketon Press, with whom I had a long and productive conversation on progress with "the book" recently.
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Post by 54roadie on Oct 21, 2021 17:20:44 GMT
Sorry to read that. So much history is lost when folks like Mr. Wilkinson leave us.
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Post by theformeremployee on Jan 30, 2022 19:18:07 GMT
Can I just mention that there IS progress towards "The Book" and any snippet of information welcome.
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Post by Admin on Jan 30, 2022 20:03:31 GMT
Can I just mention that there IS progress towards "The Book" and any snippet of information welcome. Great news! Any progress is welcomed. So - if folks here (or from any additional source) have things that might help toward telling this story, then please drop 'The Former Employee' a pm.
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Post by cusqueno on Oct 28, 2022 18:22:42 GMT
I wonder if anyone knows who "the Lambert export manager" might have been?
I am in the process of buying a fillet brazed mixte frame that the seller insists was commissioned by the Lambert export manager "for his wife". The frame has Viscount Aerospace Club stickers on it and is a sort of leaf green colour, which the seller tells me is as commissioned. The seller has a set of Lambert bits for the bike, which if they came with it make the Viscount branding slightly odd; although one can imagine a scenario where the bike for the export manager would be kitted out with a full set of Lambert bits, even after the takeover by Viscount.
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Post by brianbutler on Oct 28, 2022 19:25:47 GMT
I wonder if anyone knows who "the Lambert export manager" might have been? I am in the process of buying a fillet brazed mixte frame that the seller insists was commissioned by the Lambert export manager "for his wife". The frame has Viscount Aerospace Club stickers on it and is a sort of leaf green colour, which the seller tells me is as commissioned. The seller has a set of Lambert bits for the bike, which if they came with it make the Viscount branding slightly odd; although one can imagine a scenario where the bike for the export manager would be kitted out with a full set of Lambert bits, even after the takeover by Viscount. I am glad you are going for that bike and look forward to more information as the story develops. It is certainly a collector's piece regardless of provenance.
Brian
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Post by theformeremployee on Nov 4, 2022 18:47:15 GMT
Lambert didn't have a 'management structure' Clive Marriott was the owner and promoter, getting orders from the USA The bikes were not sold in the conventional sense. Bob Thom was the man who got the factory set up and making bikes, initially lugged, then the lugless frames. Bob transferred to San Jose, where Marriott seemed to be some of the time. Bob acted as 'Customer Services manager'. When the bank forclosed, the Receiver ran the business - but nothing was made or exported. (Ken Chambers was kept on, Marriott disappeared, Bob was briefly employed in the USA by Copal Foundry but then came home to become 'Mr Shimano' employed by Middlemores, then the importer.)
When Trusty bought the entire business, Chambers recruited Peter Britton as Export Manager and he took me on as his assistant. Peter never commissioned such a bike - Barbara wasn't into cycling and I didn't have a wife ! I'd imagine this MAY have been a bike which Bob Thom had made for his wife Jean, who was a cyclist. When ? Maybe when they were in the States Who made it ? Knight Fabrications, for a bet. Why Lambert equipment ? Why not ? But does it have the Lambert derailleurs ?
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Post by theformeremployee on Nov 4, 2022 18:58:02 GMT
Can I just mention that there IS progress towards "The Book" and any snippet of information welcome. Great news! Any progress is welcomed. So - if folks here (or from any additional source) have things that might help toward telling this story, then please drop 'The Former Employee' a pm. Normal service IS resuming and in the first quarter of 2023, we should have got a draft. One "Job" needing doing is a photo of the Trusty site in Potters Bar. but it may take some sleuthing because from Streetview, not much is recognisable. Another photo I'd like is one of the former Aberdale Works in Edmonton. (Aberdale was the forerunner of Trusty) And the site of the first Trusty works in "Angel Factory Colony' which is nearby ? Anyone nearby who could take a hi-res photo please ? PM me (or more reliably, send to john.purser@btconnect.com) and I can give you better directions. VMT
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Post by Jem on Nov 9, 2022 6:44:12 GMT
Great news! Any progress is welcomed. So - if folks here (or from any additional source) have things that might help toward telling this story, then please drop 'The Former Employee' a pm. Normal service IS resuming and in the first quarter of 2023, we should have got a draft. One "Job" needing doing is a photo of the Trusty site in Potters Bar. but it may take some sleuthing because from Streetview, not much is recognisable. Another photo I'd like is one of the former Aberdale Works in Edmonton. (Aberdale was the forerunner of Trusty) And the site of the first Trusty works in "Angel Factory Colony' which is nearby ? Anyone nearby who could take a hi-res photo please ? PM me (or more reliably, send to john.purser@btconnect.com) and I can give you better directions. VMT Great news about the book! Sorry, I am nowhere near either of those two sites. Hopefully someone will be able to help.
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Post by cusqueno on Nov 9, 2022 11:25:54 GMT
Great news! Any progress is welcomed. So - if folks here (or from any additional source) have things that might help toward telling this story, then please drop 'The Former Employee' a pm. Normal service IS resuming and in the first quarter of 2023, we should have got a draft. One "Job" needing doing is a photo of the Trusty site in Potters Bar. but it may take some sleuthing because from Streetview, not much is recognisable. Another photo I'd like is one of the former Aberdale Works in Edmonton. (Aberdale was the forerunner of Trusty) And the site of the first Trusty works in "Angel Factory Colony' which is nearby ? Anyone nearby who could take a hi-res photo please ? PM me (or more reliably, send to john.purser@btconnect.com) and I can give you better directions. VMT A few years ago (2018 ??)* there was an interim DFR in north London. It included passing what must have been the Trusty / Viscount building in Potters Bar and I'm sure there was a photograph of the participants outside the building. Robt has pictures of DFR4.5 in his Flickr - see flic.kr/s/aHskJ3Ez7b As I thought, there is one of what we believed to have been the factory building in Cranbourne Road. Unfortunately, I had to drop plans to attend DFR 4.5 at the last moment and so missed what looks like a good Viscount event. *Actually 2016
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Post by rmw on Nov 18, 2022 20:48:59 GMT
I am cycling distance of Potters Bar, so will get over there and take a picture when I get the chance. NB might take some time for the chance to come up. I was on the DFR 4.5 ride, it was indeed a cracking day out.
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Post by theformeremployee on Dec 26, 2022 20:23:53 GMT
That's very helpful, but I had it in my mind that is was a 4/5 storey brick building like this, 'a flatted factory'. The other clue is that Revel model aircraft kits were made nearby. So, any further investigations if you are out that way welcome.
As one door opens (Steve Brereton is gearing up to get the book completed) the one that shut on me was fracturing my pelvis early in December. 3 weeks in hospital so far. May get home for 2 more months rehab this week. Advise to everyone - "DON'T DO IT" Christmas lunch was with Chateau Liquid Morphine '22. Happy new year to all - and please, send us ANYTHING you know. Steve and I cannot know everything, and you'd be surprised how helpful the odd snippet - like the DFR photos have been.
All the best for 2023
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Post by wheelson on Dec 27, 2022 14:36:07 GMT
John, Sorry to hear of your mishap. Here’s hoping for a good rehab and speedy recovery. And thanks for all your work to document the history of these machines we’re so fascinated with. And a blessed and happy Christmas (or otherwise appropriate season) to all our group. Best, John “wheelson”
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Post by Jem on Dec 27, 2022 21:43:47 GMT
That's very helpful, but I had it in my mind that is was a 4/5 storey brick building like this, 'a flatted factory'. The other clue is that Revel model aircraft kits were made nearby. So, any further investigations if you are out that way welcome. As one door opens (Steve Brereton is gearing up to get the book completed) the one that shut on me was fracturing my pelvis early in December. 3 weeks in hospital so far. May get home for 2 more months rehab this week. Advise to everyone - "DON'T DO IT" Christmas lunch was with Chateau Liquid Morphine '22. Happy new year to all - and please, send us ANYTHING you know. Steve and I cannot know everything, and you'd be surprised how helpful the odd snippet - like the DFR photos have been. All the best for 2023 Really sorry to hear that. Here's wishing you a speedy recovery.
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Post by oldroadietehachapi on Dec 28, 2022 5:45:39 GMT
"As one door opens (Steve Brereton is gearing up to get the book completed) the one that shut on me was fracturing my pelvis early in December. 3 weeks in hospital so far. May get home for 2 more months rehab this week. Advise to everyone - "DON'T DO IT""
So sorry to hear of your injury; I understand that a broken pelvis is extremely painful. I hope you are soon back on your bike.
Jim
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Post by theformeremployee on Apr 1, 2023 10:06:25 GMT
I'm shuffling about on two legs, but the knee I wore out in the previous years of cycling is now rather more painful - plus the shoulder damaged with my pelvis will take months to heal, or get less worse. Many thanks for your kind wishes - a couple of cycling events I've been to recently have, I've observed, been like editions of 'Casualty' (or 'Emergency - Ward 10' for those from less recent eras). On the book front, I've finished proof-reading/editing drafts of the revised history of Raleigh and one on hub-gears. the Pilkington Press has now changed name to V-CC Publications. Steve Brereton, the author of the Lambert / Viscount history has also been in further health trouble but his tennis elbow has cleared up (meaning he can type pain-free) and he hopes to let me have his first draft during April (this, being written on 1st April, is not written as joke......) So, if anyone can help with photos of the former Trusty premises in Potters Bar, for example, or bikes in 'original state but in use' would be helpful. To my email address please - still: john.purser@btconnect.com
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Post by rmw on May 7, 2023 12:35:27 GMT
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Post by theformeremployee on Jul 5, 2023 7:15:23 GMT
Robt has pictures of DFR4.5 in his Flickr - see flic.kr/s/aHskJ3Ez7b
Indeed, image 2513 looks sort-of familiar, although I thought is was multi storey building. But it was so long ago...... I have also asked Hertfordshire for anything from its archive. Many thanks, JP
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Post by jimmyv on Oct 10, 2023 9:12:56 GMT
Great to hear this history. Also amazing to my “uncle” Archie being named within the thread. Your facts are correct as he went on to build up The Wilkinson Wheel company along with his son Karl. In the early days we all raced on Viscounts via Archie and he went on to sponsor me for many years with wheels etc. I now ride my Pro and GP in some retro events to keep the history going.
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Post by Admin on Oct 10, 2023 19:29:59 GMT
Great to hear this history. Also amazing to my “uncle” Archie being named within the thread. Your facts are correct as he went on to build up The Wilkinson Wheel company along with his son Karl. In the early days we all raced on Viscounts via Archie and he went on to sponsor me for many years with wheels etc. I now ride my Pro and GP in some retro events to keep the history going. Thanks for input Jimmy - apologies for delay in getting your membership approved , I didn't log in as Admin for a week or so. Welcome to the forum!
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Post by whippet on Oct 13, 2023 6:56:15 GMT
Welcome Jimmy ( Kevin H )
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Post by oldroadietehachapi on Oct 14, 2023 0:28:38 GMT
Jimmy, welcome to the forum!
Cheers Jim
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Post by Admin on Nov 27, 2023 20:19:17 GMT
Any updates on this topic anyone?
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Post by theformeremployee on Jan 20, 2024 23:12:01 GMT
Regrettably a sad update that my friend, colleague and phenomenal racing cyclist, Mick Ives, passed away earlier this week in Coventry Hospice. It was heart trouble. Mick was recruited from Dunlop in Coventry, where he had been assigned as design draftsman for Alec Moulton to develop the Moulton suspension. Peter Britton was the link man, having agreed the Coventry Olympic-Viscount tie-up. Mick did the R&D at Bilston (later assisted by Rick Travis) until the factory closure. A very sad loss.
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Post by Admin on Jan 22, 2024 21:55:06 GMT
Very sad news indeed, sorry to hear that.
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Post by Jem on Jan 22, 2024 21:57:30 GMT
Regrettably a sad update that my friend, colleague and phenomenal racing cyclist, Mick Ives, passed away earlier this week in Coventry Hospice. It was heart trouble. Mick was recruited from Dunlop in Coventry, where he had been assigned as design draftsman for Alec Moulton to develop the Moulton suspension. Peter Britton was the link man, having agreed the Coventry Olympic-Viscount tie-up. Mick did the R&D at Bilston (later assisted by Rick Travis) until the factory closure. A very sad loss. My sincere condolences on the loss of your friend. I am sure Mick Ives will be missed by many.
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Post by dracco on Jan 24, 2024 10:09:43 GMT
Mick Ives was one of the legendary hard men of cycling, who continued to race through the veterans ranks throughout his life. Reproduced below is his obituary written for British Cycling.
"Everybody at British Cycling was deeply saddened to learn of the passing of former British champion and national team coach Mick Ives, who passed away yesterday at the age of 84. Our thoughts are with Mick's family and many friends at this difficult time. The following obituary is written by Rory Hitchens.
Mick Ives was a force of nature, one of a kind and a true cycling legend – they just don't make them like Mick Ives anymore.
Mick died peacefully in the early hours on Thursday 18 January in Coventry Hospice. He leaves behind his wife Sheila and daughter Angela. Mick was admitted to Coventry Hospital and then the hospice, in early October after a series of heart attacks. The doctors became increasingly stunned by Mick's stamina and determination to survive long beyond what they predicted as possible. His heart was beating at only 20% it's normal rate, but Mick's 20% is our 100%. He enjoyed defying the odds throughout his illustrious cycling career, right up to his final hours.
Following an early career as a draftsman working with Sir Alex Moulton on his original bike designs, Mick dedicated himself entirely to his passion of cycle racing. He amassed 81 British championship titles and eight world masters cycling titles, including becoming a world champion in the time-trial. In 2005, as a 65-year-old pensioner, Mick became the only cyclist to complete the Tour de France route in one day less than the race itself. He was the only British male athlete to represent Great Britain internationally in the road, track, time-trial, mountain biking and cyclo-cross disciplines and to win national titles in a single season for road, time-trial, mountain biking and cyclo-cross.
Mick's cycling career spanned four decades and included managing and racing for British teams, including Viscont Cycles, Peugeot Cycles and Ever Ready on the road, and Ridgeback, Scott UK and Saracen Bikes in mountain biking. He also was part of the 1990 national mountain bike team at the inaugural UCI World Mountain Bike Championships in Colorado, USA.
Always popular with the athletes, Mick knew how to blend his experienced training methods with a light-hearted and motivational persona that brought out the best in countless professional and amateur cyclists alike.
Throughout his whole life, Mick loved to help people get into cycling and was a classic club cyclist himself. In the late 90s, alongside running his own bike shop, he formed his MI Racing Team and club. To this day, many cyclists have benefitted, and still are benefitting, from Mick's ties with the cycle trade. Sponsors who have supported the team over many years include brands such as Thule Roof Racks, KinesisUK cycles and a major backing from Jewson builders' merchant that still sponsors MI Racing now and into the future.
Many tributes to Mick are now appearing on social media and talk of his never-ending support and passion of bringing cyclists into and up through the sport. Even from his hospice bed, Mick penned a letter to British Cycling that secured national championship titles and jerseys for the 70+ age category in mountain biking and cyclo-cross – he was pioneering to the end.
Tributes, stories and photographs can be shared on the Facebook group ‘Celebrating Mick Ives the cycling legend’ where details of a Coventry gathering to celebrate Mick's amazing life will be posted in due course.
Those who wrote to Mick whilst he was in Coventry Hospice included cycling greats and industry leaders such as Steve Douce, Magnus Backstedt, Sally Reid, Nick Craig, Gary and Glen Coltman, Rick Stanforth, Roy Hunt, Pete Tomkins, Jough Watson, Steve Behr, Geoff Waugh, Alistair McLean, Tim Davies, Steve Joughin, Julian and Tim Gould, Mick Bennett, Oli and Rachel Beckinsale, Robert Thackeray, Chris Young, Rory Hitchens, Rob Warner and Sean Kelly.
Mick's family would like to give thanks for the many kind messages of support and to the amazing staff at Coventry Hospice who looked after him in his final months."
Mick Ives 10 August 1939 – 18 January 2024. RIP
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Post by cusqueno on Jan 29, 2024 13:59:21 GMT
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Post by Jem on Apr 30, 2024 9:34:01 GMT
Any Viscount book news/updates?
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