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Post by brianbutler on Dec 8, 2020 15:16:58 GMT
Rear wheel was running a bit rough.
Brian
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Post by wheelson on Dec 8, 2020 16:47:21 GMT
Nice thing about quick release axles, the skewer holds everything together. I see this quite a bit at the shop. Sometimes the owner rides the bike for a long time and never knows what's happening.
Best,
John "wheelson"
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Post by oldroadietehachapi on Dec 8, 2020 16:54:26 GMT
Nice thing about quick release axles, the skewer holds everything together. I see this quite a bit at the shop. Sometimes the owner rides the bike for a long time and never knows what's happening. Best, John "wheelson" This has only happened to me once. The quick release holds everything together, but the wheel has some slop. I suppose some folks would ignore it and have a surprise when they fix a flat. An easy fix.
Cheers Jim
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Post by ks1u on Dec 8, 2020 17:07:10 GMT
Oh man, that's a scary looking piece of metal.
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Post by brianbutler on Dec 8, 2020 17:27:45 GMT
The quick release did hold it together. I imagine axle nuts would do the same. A solid axle would even be less vulnerable. My skepticism about quick release is a different topic.
I discovered this busted axle while fixing a flat, at home thankfully. Also discovered that the front and rear wheel bearings were in serious need of overhaul and the replacement Shimano freewheel was worn to a nub. I am always surprised when this bike (1984 Fuji del Rey) gives me trouble because it always seems I just overhauled it, but a glance at the maintenance log showed the wheel bearings had not been touched in 5000 miles. Needless to say I use this bike a lot.
Brian
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Post by oldroadietehachapi on Dec 8, 2020 17:40:28 GMT
Solid nutted axles are stronger. If they break, they may start to work their way out and the wheel flops to one side. I had this happen on my old Schwinn when I was a kid. I had been jumping ramps and landing on the front wheel. The stubs axles worked loose and I had a trip over the handlebars.
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Post by brianbutler on Dec 8, 2020 19:15:13 GMT
Solid nutted axles are stronger. If they break, they may start to work their way out and the wheel flops to one side. I had this happen on my old Schwinn when I was a kid. I had been jumping ramps and landing on the front wheel. The stubs axles worked loose and I had a trip over the handlebars. Thanks, Jim. I can see how the quick release is safer now that I think about it for a moment - redundant shafts, axle and skewer. Brian
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Post by brianbutler on Dec 8, 2020 19:31:55 GMT
I scavenged an axle from another hub but where would I get a new one? I assumed I could easily find them on Amazon or eBay but no luck. I would like to buy one or more for stock. 10mm x 135mm (overall length) to fit 126mm dropouts. Ditto for 120mm dropouts. Where would you look to find them?
Brian
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Post by franco on Dec 8, 2020 20:55:32 GMT
I might have a couple of spare solid axles that came out of some old 27” wheels, as for new I’m not sure. In the uk there’s a couple of places they might pop up that sell older or bankrupt parts but having a quick glance I can’t find anything.
Probably be be easier to buy some old school wheels, take the axles out, stick some cheap QR axles in and resell them as upgraded wheels.
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Post by brianbutler on Dec 8, 2020 22:42:07 GMT
I might have a couple of spare solid axles that came out of some old 27” wheels, as for new I’m not sure. In the uk there’s a couple of places they might pop up that sell older or bankrupt parts but having a quick glance I can’t find anything. Probably be be easier to buy some old school wheels, take the axles out, stick some cheap QR axles in and resell them as upgraded wheels. I am looking for QR axles. Brian
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Post by franco on Dec 8, 2020 22:58:19 GMT
I might have a couple of spare solid axles that came out of some old 27” wheels, as for new I’m not sure. In the uk there’s a couple of places they might pop up that sell older or bankrupt parts but having a quick glance I can’t find anything. Probably be be easier to buy some old school wheels, take the axles out, stick some cheap QR axles in and resell them as upgraded wheels. I am looking for QR axles. Brian
Ah, got you, I thought you wanted solid axles. Im sure you can easily get replacement 126mm rear dropout axles, I bought some from Halfords (a high street bike place) last year for a 1980’s Raleigh. Not sure about a 120mm dropout though, cold setting the frame to take 130mm seems to be the way to go unless you find second hand replacements. |
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Post by robt on Dec 8, 2020 23:57:33 GMT
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Post by brianbutler on Dec 9, 2020 2:55:38 GMT
Thanks Rob. Exactly what I want but on the wrong continent. I am amazed that I can't find these over here on eBay or similar. I see 145mm axles for mountain bikes but no 135mm or 136mm. Thread pitch is 1.0mm. I suppose I could check with the LBS.
Brian
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Post by oldroadietehachapi on Dec 9, 2020 5:14:37 GMT
Thanks Rob. Exactly what I want but on the wrong continent. I am amazed that I can't find these over here on eBay or similar. I see 145mm axles for mountain bikes but no 135mm or 136mm. Thread pitch is 1.0mm. I suppose I could check with the LBS. Brian Try Wheels Manufacturing 10x1x137 QR
Cheers Jim
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Post by robt on Dec 9, 2020 7:19:55 GMT
Thanks Rob. Exactly what I want but on the wrong continent. I am amazed that I can't find these over here on eBay or similar. I see 145mm axles for mountain bikes but no 135mm or 136mm. Thread pitch is 1.0mm. I suppose I could check with the LBS. Brian You’re welcome, Brian! Am I being very dim and missing something here, but couldn’t a 145mm axle be transformed into a 136mm axle with the gentle application of a hacksaw and a file? |
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Post by franco on Dec 9, 2020 9:24:09 GMT
Thanks Rob. Exactly what I want but on the wrong continent. I am amazed that I can't find these over here on eBay or similar. I see 145mm axles for mountain bikes but no 135mm or 136mm. Thread pitch is 1.0mm. I suppose I could check with the LBS. Brian You’re welcome, Brian! Am I being very dim and missing something here, but couldn’t a 145mm axle be transformed into a 136mm axle with the gentle application of a hacksaw and a file? Can’t remember now but I may have modified this one slightly but it did work www.halfords.com/cycling/bike-parts/bike-wheels/halfords-10mm-x-140mm-axle-with-bearings-and-grease---hollow-207774.html |
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Post by brianbutler on Dec 9, 2020 12:47:29 GMT
Thanks all. I found what I wanted "imported from the orient" for $7 on the Walmart web site. Possibly junk but we'll see. Good enough is the enemy of better. The hub is currently back together using an axle from a donor bike so the new one is a spare. I probably need some more parts bikes. 
I'm sure a longer axle could be cut down, or a tube threaded. It just seemed that hollow axles for a 126mm over locknut setup would be plentiful and cheap.
As a side note, I think this type of axle failure is precisely the reason freehubs were developed. Above 8 speeds, there is just too much leverage outside the right wheel bearing on a freewheel hub.
Brian
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Post by franco on Dec 9, 2020 13:11:49 GMT
As time goes on I’m sure it will become more and more difficult to find vintage parts. It’s a blessing that Eroica became popular in that respect, at least suppliers are aware there is still a small market for older parts.
Glad you got it sorted Brian anyway.
I think I added an extra locknut on the 140mm axle, the dropouts allowed me to do it and it shortened the overall length enough for the QR skewer to grip tightly.
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Post by wheelson on Dec 10, 2020 13:55:44 GMT
Thanks all. I found what I wanted "imported from the orient" for $7 on the Walmart web site. Possibly junk but we'll see. Good enough is the enemy of better. The hub is currently back together using an axle from a donor bike so the new one is a spare. I probably need some more parts bikes.
I'm sure a longer axle could be cut down, or a tube threaded. It just seemed that hollow axles for a 126mm over locknut setup would be plentiful and cheap.
As a side note, I think this type of axle failure is precisely the reason freehubs were developed. Above 8 speeds, there is just too much leverage outside the right wheel bearing on a freewheel hub.
Brian
Sorry for not responding to your quest sooner, but we've been struggling with some plumbing problems the last few days, only sorted out last night. I have a good many used hubs (and other ancient components) in my personal "inventory" and would be glad to search if you or anyone else is in need. In addition, I would be happy to use my bike shop connections to search for new components, although my shop time will be extremely limited until the end of February, beginning of March, 2021.
Best, John "wheelson"
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