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Post by brianbutler on Aug 23, 2020 17:50:07 GMT
My wife and I pulled into a space at the local rail trail parking area. Leaning against a chain link fence was an abandoned and thoroughly roached bike. Of course I had to take a look. Everything about it is completely dilapidated and neither frame nor components seemed to have recognizable markings. Then I noticed "Lambert" shields placed in the correct positions on head and seat tubes. But instead of "Hand Crafted by Lambert of England" it says "Hand Crafted by [unrecognizable] of R.O.C." Has anyone seen one of these before. Maybe this was where the left over Lambert foil label stock ended up. Weird.
I feel like retrieving it just to take apart but the only thing any good looks to be the hood mounted brake adjusters and the front reflector
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Post by franco on Aug 23, 2020 18:09:28 GMT
Ha! How bizarre, that’s both of us that have stumbled across abandoned Viscount/Lambert bikes in the space of a month.
I’d have to go back and get it. Sounds daft but some small parts are worth putting a box in case you need something later, the price of things like an old size caliper pinch bolt soon add up on a project. At a glance the handlebars, stem, brake levers and calipers all look serviceable.
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Post by wheelson on Aug 23, 2020 19:40:51 GMT
And remember, EvapoRust is your friend! Seriously, those brake levers with the adjusters are a bit harder to find. one can also mix and match parts with them such as remove the extensions, switch the levers to the perforated type, . . . And perhaps it has sealed bearing hubs? Best, John "wheelson"
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Post by franco on Aug 23, 2020 20:50:51 GMT
The front hub looks decent, can’t make out the back.
Huge frame, 24”?
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Post by brianbutler on Aug 23, 2020 21:48:43 GMT
I'm pretty sure it is not a Lambert or anything close to it, but they ripped off the Lambert labels! All of the parts are Chinese I think. But I might go get it tomorrow if it is still there. It has been there for a few days. It would be interesting to take apart just to see what it is made of.
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Post by oldroadietehachapi on Aug 24, 2020 1:02:29 GMT
R.O.C. Republic of China also known as Taiwan. Perhaps a Taiwanese bike company bought rights to the name?
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Post by wheelson on Aug 24, 2020 3:55:18 GMT
Good call, some of those Taiwanese frames are pretty well made and a large one if indeed it is legitimately badged as a Lambert might be worth saving. I've certainly never seen one. Seems Taiwan specialized in big frames, Giant having made some big Schwinn frames before Giant WAS Giant. Early Tiawanese MTB frames are in high demand these days, of course what isn't?! It would be easy enough to source components, the brakes look to be Dia Compe, can't tell if the crankset and derailleurs are standard stuff. If only the stem and seatpost aren't stuck. Best, John "wheelson"
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Post by oldroadietehachapi on Aug 24, 2020 6:14:23 GMT
Good old Classic Rendezvous Says this: "After a few years, Lambert became insolvent and thereafter became "Viscount" cycles, which in turn became heavily invested by the Yamaha Motorcycle Co. A new burst of life arose for the marque, but rapidly all the special parts went away and "normal" pieces appeared, i.e. Suntour and Shimano derailleurs, etc. Then the frames became Japanese and Taiwanese (which wasn't too cool in those days) Yamaha finally de alone (the Trusty Co. had in fact been the behind-the-scenes manufacturer for some time)" and staggered on for a year or so before disappearing forever!
The link
I love a mystery Jim
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Post by cusqueno on Aug 24, 2020 10:15:47 GMT
I believe that Classic Rendezvous is wrong to say that 'the frames became Japanese and Taiwanese'. I am not aware of any Japanese-produced Lambert of Viscount frames ever; and the Taiwanese involvement seems to have been limited to the 'US cities' range of lugged Viscount bikes such as Tulsa GL, Colorado, &c. These were heavy lugged frames, often lined, with metal riveted-on head badges. They normally had lower range components, mainly Shimano. Yamaha took over the dealership in the US but weren't involved in the running of the UK-based Viscount company, which continued to produce most of the bikes including the top of the range Aerospace models. The frames were produced by the Trusty company, as the labels on the fillet brazed frames attest, both for the Lambert bikes and when it morphed into Viscount. Trusty was an established manufacturer of bikes, mainly children's, and of lawnmowers &c. before Lambert existed. They were based in Bilston, West Midlands and Potters Bar, North London. Trusty apparently took over the stock of Lambert parts when that company folded and re-launched a substantially similar Aerospace model under the Viscount brand, trying to shake off the quality issues that had dogged Lambert. There is something of a mystery over who made the earliest Lambert frames, which were lugged with semi-wraparound seat stays. My gold Lambert has a frame of this type. These frames don't appear to have been made by Trusty. The bike that started this thread doesn't look as though it has a frame of this sort. Later in the Viscount story, Trusty closed the Bilston factory and all manufacture was moved to Potters Bar - in 1979-ish probably and at some point Viscount was constituted as a company in its own right, not just a Trusty brand. At this time, as far as I am aware, now frames from the Far East were being used, although some Italian small wheeled / folder frames were imported (not the original Trusty / Viscount Delta). Some bikes seem to have been assembled / made in France as well.
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Post by brianbutler on Aug 24, 2020 11:35:50 GMT
I would like to emphasize that there is absolutely nothing about this bike that would lead me to think it is a Lambert, except for the shape and graphical design (but not text) of the shields, which are identical to the Lambert ones.
I have one of the early Lambert lugged (and threaded BB) frames along with a triple chainset, pedals, and a few other parts that came with it. I got this as part of free pile of bikes about to be scrapped.
I will still try to retrieve the subject bike this afternoon before the highway department sees it and takes it to the town dump.
Brian
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Post by brianbutler on Aug 25, 2020 13:59:33 GMT
I swiped the pseudo-Lambert last evening. I am really hoping it was abandoned. I believe so because it has no pedals, no lock, and is completely unrideable. Here are some photos before taking anything apart: photos.app.goo.gl/4YRUT1x2hJzHnxF8AThe bike is stripped down to components except for the headset and stem, which is frozen. You called that one, Wheelson! Worst case I will cut off the stem because I might want the headset but don't care about the fork or frame. They appear to be gas pipe and corroded, but we'll see. I definitely want the stem shifters because they are weird early Suntour ratchet shifters. I disassembled one side, hoping I could remove the assembly with the stem attached but no luck. More photos of components later today. Brian
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Post by franco on Aug 25, 2020 14:44:43 GMT
Just needs a bit of oil on the chain and it’s good to go Brian Seriously though, there’s a few bits worth salvaging off there. The brake levers look decent.
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Post by wheelson on Aug 25, 2020 22:37:08 GMT
Yep, that bike has not been ridden for a while, likely "wintered-over". A few items might be useable IF they could be removed: crankset(worth an eBay $35US or so), brake levers (if the cable adjusters aren't frozen), shifters, perhaps even the hubs - they are early Shimano 333 large flange with the rimmed rather than smooth side flanges. And, of course, a section of that seat tube with decal for posterity if the frame is going to be scrapped. Hate to say it, but I've actually seen bikes in this condition brought to the shop for repair. Normally, a rule of thumb for a repair/rebuild as a rider is 1/2 the cost of a comparable new bike. However, in these Covid-desperate times when almost any rideable bike is unobtanium, who knows?! Best, John "wheelson"
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Post by brianbutler on Aug 25, 2020 23:54:18 GMT
Everything came apart with minor coaxing except the stem, which I cut off. Here are the resulting parts:
Most of the components move freely and are in good shape except for surface rust.
The hubs are not shown because I haven't taken the wheels apart yet except for removing the freewheel and spoke protector. The hubs look OK but turn a little rough. I'll have to check for scoring, but this bike has actually not seen a lot of miles based on my observations. The rims and spokes are scrap so disassembly will be quick. The front hub has a hollow axle and quick release but the rear is solid and fixed with nuts.
I believe the drive components were all originally Suntour and the shifters, cable guides, FD, and freewheel look to be original. The RD is a 1982 style Shimano Tourney. I don't know if Suntour made hubs but this bike has Shimano hubs.
I plan to keep and refurbish the following items: Handlebar Brake levers and calipers
Shifter set FD RD Cable guides and miscellaneous frame hardware Bottle cage Reflectors
Suntour Perfect 5-speed freewheel Hubs Silstar alloy 52/40/165mm crankset Headset components
Bottom bracket components
I'll save the head tube and decal (the better example) by cutting the top and down tubes, leaving enough to mount the thing on a piece of wood. Amazing how much time the pandemic is freeing up!
Brian
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Post by Jem on Aug 26, 2020 6:00:35 GMT
Yamaha took over the dealership in the US but weren't involved in the running of the UK-based Viscount company, which continued to produce most of the bikes including the top of the range Aerospace models. I seem to recall that Koga-Miyata were in charge of European dealership/distribution operation, but I can't recall that source or give anymore citation than a vague memory.
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Post by franco on Aug 26, 2020 17:00:01 GMT
Good stuff Brian! Great having free time to do this kind of stuff isn’t it.
John Wheelson - I think you’ve got a point about people riding next to anything this summer, most bike shops ran out of stock at one point.
I like watching these guys, they restore just about anything with limited tools
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Post by wheelson on Aug 26, 2020 20:05:12 GMT
I really like how that crankset popped right off! No fair, he used new handlebars! This really is amazing work.
Brian: I expect to see the pseudo-Chinese Lambert redone in a similar manner, no excuses!! LOL
I'm forwarding this to our shop owner, he could really use these guys. This may be my last year as a shop mechanic due to back issues. If you called me spineless, you might just have gotten it right! Did Viscount ever make a Cattrike? Best, John "wheelson"
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Post by brianbutler on Aug 26, 2020 21:28:00 GMT
I am going to put the Chinese pseudo-Lambert back together hand tight, take it to the nearby state park, and make a video showing how I can find a dilapidated bike in the Alaskan wilderness and disassemble it using only a knife and a wire, the same tools I use to survive the winter.
Brian
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Post by Jem on Aug 27, 2020 11:42:55 GMT
I like watching these guys, they restore just about anything with limited tools Total respect for doing that job.
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Post by dracco on Aug 27, 2020 18:14:41 GMT
What was that black cylindrical thing on the right-side of the front hub? Was it some kind of hub-mounted dynamo??
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Post by dracco on Aug 27, 2020 18:42:40 GMT
Wow. I wouldn't fancy doing that paint-spraying without any kind of protective mask!
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Post by franco on Aug 27, 2020 19:49:00 GMT
What was that black cylindrical thing on the right-side of the front hub? Was it some kind of hub-mounted dynamo?? Possibly given the design. Roadsters are still a serious means of transport in parts of Asia and the cottered crank is alive and well out there! im looking forward to Brian doing a renovation video
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Post by brianbutler on Aug 28, 2020 14:06:42 GMT
Having a little trouble with flexing on the descents:
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Post by wheelson on Aug 28, 2020 18:29:41 GMT
I really like that clear Lexan hub set.
Best, John "wheelson"
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