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Post by raymondo on Apr 13, 2014 20:52:42 GMT
I have a viscount Team Lugged bike circa 1981. It does not have a pressed in bearing but a normal ball cage set up, i think. The bike is totally stock, so my question is not all viscounts have the push fit bearing , right? my mate said the bikes frames are all simular and the parts fitted determine the bikes cost, the frame is basically free. This must apply to the bottom bracket, so the team is lower end and has cheaper bits. I have seen a Doyle of this time and it was the same. Puzzled.
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Post by Stella on Apr 13, 2014 22:22:40 GMT
Hey, Raymondo.
Your friend is right. The cheaper 'steel' version of Viscount have fixed cup bottom brackets and often Simplex group sets, or Huret/Sachs Huret. It's the Aerospace frames that are press-fit.
Don't be disappointed, though, my Sprint had the bb with lose bearings and that bike was one of my favourite rides: totally smooth.
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Post by sprockit on Apr 29, 2014 23:00:09 GMT
Raymondo,
Worry not - my three Viscount frames each have a different bottom bracket!
1-'Team '82 (frame only) with (I think!) Shimano Isis bottom bracket with splined spindle;
2-Sport, 1982-ish, 5-speed with conventional bottom bracket and cottered cranks;
3-International 'Special', 1970s, 10-speed, with pressed-in bearings and circlips.
The 'Team '82' and the Sport both have lugged frames, whereas the International has the fillet-brazed variety.
Viscounts do seem at times to have a random mix of components fitted, but experts on these forums do speak of issues with the supply of parts.
Sprockit
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Post by Stella on Apr 29, 2014 23:16:38 GMT
Actually, my newest addition, the mysterious Viscount, has an Aerospace frame with threaded shell and cottered cranks. Which means I stand corrected.
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Post by triitout on Apr 30, 2014 1:23:11 GMT
My Gran Touring twins have threaded BB's 1.37 x something on the same Aerospace frames that got the press fit on the higher grade Pro and GP in the states. I think it's a standard thread from the day. Easy to service and always smooth.
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Post by cusqueno on Apr 30, 2014 6:46:55 GMT
The answer is as Stella mentions. Before 1980, Aerospace frames were fillet brazed - i.e. No lugs (after the early Lambert frames) - and were fitted with press fit bearings. Cheaper bikes, including the Taiwanese frames, had normal cup & cone bearings. Not sure about the mixed frames - lugged on the front, fillet brazed at the back - eg some 'International's 'Victors'. After1979 the Aerospace range went lugged and all Viscounts had normal BBs. You might find fillet brazed bikes where the BB shell has been tapped out to take normal BB cups. Usually Italian threading is used (36mm x 24tpi) because it bites in the 35mm inside diameter shell whereas the British 1.370 (34.8mm) x 24 tpi one does not.
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Post by Stella on Apr 30, 2014 9:22:15 GMT
John, are you saying that the Internationals were also front lugged and rear fillet brazed? I can't identify the new blue one. Will post on a different thread to see if anyone has an idea.
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Post by cusqueno on Apr 30, 2014 9:38:38 GMT
John, are you saying that the Internationals were also front lugged and rear fillet brazed? I can't identify the new blue one. Will post on a different thread to see if anyone has an idea. I was writing from memory. Checking some old correspondence with Busaste, I have seen an International with an Aerospace frame, but SB said that, in his experience, all Internationals were cheaper lugged models. What I was thinking of were the Victor models, a name which was often (to be cautious) applied to the 'semi-lugged' frames. I've edited my earlier post accordingly.
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Post by Stella on Apr 30, 2014 9:50:23 GMT
Yes, that's what he told me: the Victor or the Sebring were semi lugged. But normally they have at least a Victor sticker on it. Mine hasn't got anything bar the silver head badge and seat tube sticker and the Viscount transfer at the downtube. That's it. But it's definitely an Aerospace frame: light as a feather. Will post pictures (if the system lets me, that is.) Actually, I already have them on my blog due to the system not wanting them here. .html So if anyone has an idea what this one is, other than a FrankenViscount ...
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Post by Admin on Apr 30, 2014 12:13:18 GMT
Actually, I already have them on my blog due to the system not wanting them here. .html So if anyone has an idea what this one is, other than a FrankenViscount ... I think it's something to do with the fact that this forum is free, and they only give a certain 'space' for photo storage or somesuch. Therefore, I set picture sizes at a moderate level. Options are to host your pics in another place and link to them, or alternatively, I could pay the few £ it costs and then change the adverts to bike related ones and try and make the money back that way and break even. We could then post up larger pics and more of them...
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Post by Stella on Apr 30, 2014 13:46:23 GMT
I think it's fine as it is; don't invest just yet. I can always link to my blog. My problems is that I can't figure out how to set the size on my phone. It's an odd phone anyway. lol But has 5 mega pixels so makes great pictures.
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