Jem
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Post by Jem on Apr 9, 2014 6:59:42 GMT
It has been a while since I looked on Flickr at the Viscount brochures and adverts. But, I was browsing this morning and came across this model called the Allrounder. It is the GP frame with 'comfy' bits added for going to and from the pub. I wonder how many of these were made/sold back in the day, and I also wonder how many of them go by on eBay etc and are missed by us (especially if the decal is gone) due to the fact that we don't recognise them and they are not listed in such a way that we find them. I think it is a great name for the bike!  Lambert Page 6 by cb400bill, on Flickr  Lambert Page 7 by cb400bill, on Flickr  Lambert Page 8 by cb400bill, on Flickr |
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Post by Stella on Apr 9, 2014 9:39:59 GMT
Never heard of it, but it just looks weird to have such a pristine bike for a pub bike. Looks comfy, though.
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Post by bendo on Apr 9, 2014 12:17:42 GMT
Beautiful. Well spotted Sooper! I want a close up of how the front mudguards attach to that measly 'eyelet' on the cast aluminium forks.
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Post by cusqueno on Apr 9, 2014 15:32:47 GMT
I hadn't seen cb400bill's pictures of the Lambert Allrounder either, nor ever knowingly seen one for sale either. I had thought that the Lambert range was limited to the Professional and the G.P. (plus the gold-plated variant of course  , although there were both the early lugged frames and the fillet brazed ones. |
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Post by Jem on Apr 9, 2014 18:07:01 GMT
I really wish I'd bought that white Lambert frame from Dudley now. I'd have taken great pleasure in re-creating one of these!! Although a pair of NOS mudguards went for £80 on eBayI wonder if the name of them is just some coincidence?  |
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Post by cusqueno on Apr 10, 2014 10:16:45 GMT
I've a feeling that 'Allrounder' has been used by several manufacturers over the years as a model name. Although the only example I've been able to dig up in a few minutes' searching is one by Rivendell (interesting bike by the way). |
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Post by triitout on Apr 2, 2017 22:49:54 GMT
After 7 years of not being able find a suitable setup for my undersized GP it has finally morphed into what's close to being an "Allrounder". In my excitement to purchase a near pristine Viscount (my first venture in the aftermarket), I went for a 21 1/2" thinking I'll make it work. The fit had remained a disaster until I bought a longer sr laprade style seat post, nice porteur bars and unusual quill stem from Velo-Orange. The fenders and racks are Soma Fabrications. The final touch was the NOS mattress saddle (Viscount, Taiwan) from eBay. I went out for a 2 mile post flu test ride and yes, it's now rideable for short slow rides. Toe clip overlap was a killer so the original with dust cap pedals went to my Pro which needed them and I dug up some old 2 sided ones that work well. I'm happy with being able to somewhat re-create something from Lambert's past! 
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Post by kickstandman on Apr 3, 2017 6:38:46 GMT
Nice. I have some questions about switching handlebars. That ride looks very comfy.
If one has drop bars and one switches to riser bars, does one always have to switch the handlebar stem as well? I've been told yes but I'm not so sure.
I have "butterfly" or trek (as VO calls them) bars on one bike and I enjoy them immensely but then, it seems to get costly if now, one is switching the handlebar stem as well. That can easily start costing $70-$100. I don't mind the expense if I am really going to use the bike. It's just that it would certainly not be any kind of a casual change.
Of course, with butterfly bars, one might have to have a different handlebar stem; but I'm not sure if that is always the case with riser bars.
I hope all of this is clear.
A lot of measurements to consider.
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Jem
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Post by Jem on Apr 3, 2017 18:50:13 GMT
A very attractive utilitarian bike. Good work!
I love the curve on that rear rack. Very nice design.
The bars and stem give a great looking sweep too.
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Post by triitout on Apr 4, 2017 2:01:30 GMT
Nice. I have some questions about switching handlebars. That ride looks very comfy. If one has drop bars and one switches to riser bars, does one always have to switch the handlebar stem as well? I've been told yes but I'm not so sure. I have "butterfly" or trek (as VO calls them) bars on one bike and I enjoy them immensely but then, it seems to get costly if now, one is switching the handlebar stem as well. That can easily start costing $70-$100. I don't mind the expense if I am really going to use the bike. It's just that it would certainly not be any kind of a casual change. Of course, with butterfly bars, one might have to have a different handlebar stem; but I'm not sure if that is always the case with riser bars. I hope all of this is clear. A lot of measurements to consider. I'll try to help you sort out the stem thing. Any quill stem will work with any handlebar with few exceptions that don't apply to riser bars. The basic thing to consider is the clamp size of the stem and width of the bar clamp area in the middle. Viscount and old SR, and GB quill stems are 25.4mm as are most bars from that era. Newer quill stems and bars tend to be 26.0mm. You can use a 25.4 bar with 26.0 stem since VO has shims specially for that purpose. Don't force a 26.0 bar into a 25.4 stem. I went with the VO quill stem because I needed the extra height (120mm above minimum insert line with a 17 degree rise). It is a nicer esthetic and cheaper solution than a Nitto Technomic which gives a similar height. I used the shim since the stem is 26.0 and the bar is 25.4. See what happens when the frame is too small! store.velo-orange.com/index.php/components/stems/quill-stems/vo-quill-stem.html Sometimes you might struggle a bit to remove drop bars from a quill stem if said stem doesn't have a removable faceplate &/or the bars are "compact" in the drops. The big drops on Viscount bars or gentle curves on your butterfly bars should not be a problem. Did I further confuse you??? Hope this helps! |
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Post by triitout on Apr 4, 2017 2:03:39 GMT
A very attractive utilitarian bike. Good work! I love the curve on that rear rack. Very nice design. The bars and stem give a great looking sweep too. Nothing like a compliment from Lord High Viscount to know I've done good in Viscount World! Many thanks Jem! |
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Post by kickstandman on Apr 4, 2017 2:28:40 GMT
Nice. I have some questions about switching handlebars. That ride looks very comfy. If one has drop bars and one switches to riser bars, does one always have to switch the handlebar stem as well? I've been told yes but I'm not so sure. I have "butterfly" or trek (as VO calls them) bars on one bike and I enjoy them immensely but then, it seems to get costly if now, one is switching the handlebar stem as well. That can easily start costing $70-$100. I don't mind the expense if I am really going to use the bike. It's just that it would certainly not be any kind of a casual change. Of course, with butterfly bars, one might have to have a different handlebar stem; but I'm not sure if that is always the case with riser bars. I hope all of this is clear. A lot of measurements to consider. I'll try to help you sort out the stem thing. Any quill stem will work with any handlebar with few exceptions that don't apply to riser bars. The basic thing to consider is the clamp size of the stem and width of the bar clamp area in the middle. Viscount and old SR, and GB quill stems are 25.4mm as are most bars from that era. Newer quill stems and bars tend to be 26.0mm. You can use a 25.4 bar with 26.0 stem since VO has shims specially for that purpose. Don't force a 26.0 bar into a 25.4 stem. I went with the VO quill stem because I needed the extra height (120mm above minimum insert line with a 17 degree rise). It is a nicer esthetic and cheaper solution than a Nitto Technomic which gives a similar height. I used the shim since the stem is 26.0 and the bar is 25.4. See what happens when the frame is too small! store.velo-orange.com/index.php/components/stems/quill-stems/vo-quill-stem.html Sometimes you might struggle a bit to remove drop bars from a quill stem if said stem doesn't have a removable faceplate &/or the bars are "compact" in the drops. The big drops on Viscount bars or gentle curves on your butterfly bars should not be a problem. Did I further confuse you??? Hope this helps! I do understand the mechanics actually, I have the brakes, flat handlebars and maybe all I need is a stem and I could put that on a Viscount. That's an idea, thanks. I might try to do similarly to what you did. |
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Post by Jem on Apr 8, 2017 18:53:17 GMT
A very attractive utilitarian bike. Good work! I love the curve on that rear rack. Very nice design. The bars and stem give a great looking sweep too. Nothing like a compliment from Lord High Viscount to know I've done good in Viscount World! Many thanks Jem! Haha..I had to put labels/names against post counts for members when I set the forum up. When I put these labels on them, I didn't think anyone would reach that level of posting and then just forgot that it would happen at some point that someone would be crowned 'Lord High Viscount' purely due to their number of posts. I'm off to change the settings now (not sure what to though). I'm not ashamed to say that I know very little about them compared to many others and I'm just an enthusiast and fan. Everything I know I got off the folks here. |
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, although there were both the early lugged frames and the fillet brazed ones.
