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Post by triitout on Nov 28, 2016 2:58:19 GMT
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Post by cusqueno on Nov 29, 2016 7:46:51 GMT
My guess is that they would be cellulose based - so any cellulose thinners? I saw these too - unfortunately the quoted postage to the UK rules me out of experimenting with them - over to you? A nice item to have, even if the paint couldn't be liquified. Interesting that the colour is specified by the model of bike - doesn't help us to identify modern equivalents.
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Post by triitout on Nov 29, 2016 14:35:42 GMT
From what I've read, if it's totally dry, it's toast. It'll be worth a shot with picking up a bottle at one point. I'm waiting for those NOS saddles to continue their $ free fall and maybe combine the shipping cost. Cool item. Have to research cellulose thinners.
On a separate note, glad you didn't get hurt with the "death crank".
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Post by Jem on Nov 29, 2016 22:14:45 GMT
Very interesting...the number on the side is just for factory reference I guess?
If the shipping was sensible then I'd get one, but not at that price.
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Post by thechatterboxman on Dec 8, 2016 6:16:09 GMT
Hello,
This is my first post in the forum. Hello to all from the USA.
I bought one of those NOS Viscount saddles, but it came from a different eBay seller. The leather was hard and dry, but it polished up well and softened up nicely after numerous coats of leather conditioner. The saddle is not cracked or dry-rotted. The saddle was simply hard and dry, but it seems fine now. I bought the saddle for a Viscount Aerospace Pro I've been refurbishing.
All kinds of Lambert/Viscount items have been showing up on eBay from California recently, including two Lambert Grand Prix bikes that were still in the factory cartons and in the original factory wrapping. At least one of the bikes was a Grand Prix Professional that still had its three chain-ring crank-set, (15 speed.) I've bought two pairs of NOS Viscount pedals, and two pairs of NOS Lambert toe clip straps. One pair of straps is red and the other pair is blue. I bought two pairs of NOS toe clips as well. One pair of clips is labeled, "Lambert." The other pair of clips have "Atos," or "Catos," logos on them. I can't tell which name is correct, because I am not familiar with that company. Both sets of clips do say, "England" on them. I managed to win a pair of NOS T/A Lambert chain rings for a crank set as well. The large chain ring is still in a "Lambert" plastic bag. One eBay dealer had FIVE identical Lambert bikes from the same estate for sale. The bikes were all the same color and size, which was a bit odd.
I saw the dried-up paint bottles, but I didn't know what to do with those either. I saw those black pedals too, but I didn't know what they were.
I have the Viscount Aerospace Pro I mentioned, (Grey and Black,) and a Lambert Grand Prix Professional (White and Black,) which still has all of its Lambert parts, including the original, early version aluminum fork. (I don't like the D.F. term for that particular part.) My local bike shop owner/mechanic who does all of the more difficult or safety-related work on my bikes disassembled the fork assembly on my Lambert and said that the early Lambert fork looks fine to him. The fork assembly is still tight and substantial enough in his opinion. However, he is young and is used to carbon fiber bikes that break in half if you go over a speed bump on a cold day. I bought a V3 aluminum fork for the Lambert bike, but apparently more parts than the fork are needed to make the later, Viscount aluminum fork fit. This I did not know.
I also once owned a Viscount Aerospace G.P. that I bought new back in the day. I sold that bike to someone who let it get stolen almost immediately. I've always regretted selling that bike, and I decided to do something about it approximately a year ago. I've been having fun ever since. I joined this forum some time ago, but this is my first post. The site is very interesting reading, and I am glad it is here.
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Post by oldroadietehachapi on Dec 8, 2016 17:30:13 GMT
Welcome to the forum! If the stack height of the new fork is the same as the old, you should be able to use your existing headset. You will need to remove the lower bearing race from the fork and install it on the new fork. Personally, I would use a new headset. This type of work requires some special tools so you may be more comfortable having a bike shop do the work. The later forks (v3) are reputed to be much better than the early ones.
By the way, I am in Tehachapi California.
Cheers Jim
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Post by triitout on Dec 9, 2016 2:51:06 GMT
Welcome chatterboxman and a day early Happy Birthday to you! There really has been some amazing NOS stuff showing up as of late from California. Even more interesting reading going back to 2009 on www.cc.org.uk on their forum started by Busaste under the heading "Viscount bicycles!" Too much good material there to be forgotten even with our dedicated current forum. I agree with Jim, if you're going to ride on an original aluminum fork, go with the latter TypeIII Viscount version. I think a young mechanic, as good as he may be, probably is unfamiliar with the whole history of the Lambert version. Be safe. I too am working on a black/silver Aerospace Pro. Getting cold in the NorthEast so the first ride probably won't happen until spring. I do trust the TypeIII fork when it's on a bike that appears to have had minimal usage so it stays on. I'll also keep away from potholes and curbs when riding it.....just in case. What part of the states are you in? Any other new members in the NorthEast besides myself and vtchuck? Cheers, Michael
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Post by cusqueno on Dec 28, 2016 19:19:55 GMT
Michael, many thanks for sending some of these little bottles our way in the UK. And to Jem for forwarding me one. A nice little trophy to have. I've not decided yet whether to try to revive it.
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Post by Jem on Dec 28, 2016 21:41:43 GMT
Yes, many thanks Michael. As John says, a nice little trophy. I might give it a try to bring it back to life; nothing lost if it fails.
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Post by thechatterboxman on Dec 31, 2016 18:43:42 GMT
Welcome to the forum! If the stack height of the new fork is the same as the old, you should be able to use your existing headset. You will need to remove the lower bearing race from the fork and install it on the new fork. Personally, I would use a new headset. This type of work requires some special tools so you may be more comfortable having a bike shop do the work. The later forks (v3) are reputed to be much better than the early ones. By the way, I am in Tehachapi California. Cheers Jim Hello, I am going show my ignorance and admit that I am not sure what "stack height" means. Is this the height of the part of the fork that slides into the head tube and the bearings that go on that part of the fork? My mechanic said the V3 Viscount fork I bought for my Lambert Grand Prix looks like it is designed for a larger-framed bike. (My bike has a 31 1/2"-32" stand-over height.) I didn't know if there were different-sized forks for different-sized frames or not. The straight part of my V3 fork is 6 1/8 inches long. I now live in Fort Wayne, Indiana in the U.S.A., but I was born and raised in Virginia, about 70 miles from Jamestown, where the first successful English colony in North America was founded in 1607. Happy New Year to all!
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Post by oldroadietehachapi on Dec 31, 2016 21:59:38 GMT
Let me try it again. If the steerer tube (stem) of the new fork is long enough to accommodate the stack height of your existing headset, it will work. If the steerer tube is too long, it can be shortened or spacers added. If the steerer tube is slightly too short, you may need a headset with a lower stack height. If the steerer tube is way to short, you will need a different fork. The stack height is the cumulative measurement of the headset and head tube; it does not include headset spacers, or the parts of the headset cups that go into the head tube. Headset manufacturers list the stack height of the headset alone (without the head tube, spacers, or parts of the headset cups that go into the head tube). Hilary Stone has a great take on this; it can be found at hilarystone.com/headset.htmlA great diagram (just ignore the Lefty dialog) can be found at www.project321.com/products_bike-cannondale-lefty-fit-stack.phpAll the information that you will ever need is in Sutherland's Handbook for Bicycle Mechanics. It can be downloaded at booksread.org/sutherland-s-handbook-for-bicycle-mechanics-.pdfAll the Best in the New Year Jim
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Post by thechatterboxman on Dec 31, 2016 23:12:57 GMT
Thank you for the clarification/explanation. I am saving all of this information to show to my bike mechanic who is also our LBS owner. He has been a bicycle mechanic for 12+ years, but the D.F. issue was new to him, because Lambert/Viscount bikes with aluminum forks are more than a decade older than he is. There don't seem to be many Viscounts in this part of the country, so he simply hadn't encountered the issue before.
I like the way the Lambert rides. It will climb grades like a goat, even with an old goat doing the pedaling. I don't want to mess up the bike's characteristics, but I don't want to be the first official D.F. fatality either. :>/
Thank you again for all of the information.
Randy
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