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Post by cusqueno on Apr 4, 2016 20:46:04 GMT
Just seen a post on the Facebook Steel is Real group of pictures of a Viking badged Lambert with an original Lambert tear derailleur. Said to be on Craig's List, presumably in the US but I haven't been able to find the original listing. FB poster is 'Cruz Missile'.
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Post by kickstandman on Apr 5, 2016 6:13:40 GMT
Seattle Craig's List: Viking (if link works), this doesn't look like it is the bike in question but that fork to me, looks like a Lambert/Viscount fork. Maybe that makes sense, if Lambert/Viscount grew out of Viking. seattle.craigslist.org/est/bik/5511071154.html" Vintage Viking 15 Speed - $150 (Redmond)" It looks like a short headtube but 32" standover is proper for me. And here is this off of the St. Louis Craig's List: "Lambert - Viscount Bicycle History The Lambert was born in 1972, but seems to have had roots in Viking Cycle after that company was sold to American investors in 1967. The product of an aerospace company, Lamberts were midrange cycles made out of "aerospace" tubing. This isn't saying much as the industry that gave us airplanes used a wide variety and quality of steel. But the bikes were made with some integrity and the "seamless" frame was lightweight. The cast aluminum fork on the other hand is now referred to as the Death Fork. It was equipped had a cast aluminium alloy front fork (the part that holds the front wheel). As with most traditionally constructed bikes, this was attached to a steel 'steerer' - the part that turns in the headset bearings and into which the stem holding the handlebars fits. In the early 1970s aluminium forks were extremely innovative if not unique. The idea was (of course) to reduce the weight of the bike. Incidentally the feel of the bike was changed, because aluminium behaves differently to steel under stress. (The modulus of elasticity is different.) Some people don't like the 'feel' of ally forks. Unfortunately, there were accidents resulting from sudden catastrophic failure of Lambert forks. If you are travelling at any speed, the failure of anything at the front of the bike - fork, wheel, stem or bars - is frightening and potentially very serious. I know of a friend of a friend who experienced Lambert fork failure and was scarred as a result. So I don't doubt the reality of an 'injury fork'; even if no-one was killed. The number of forks that broke has been reported as less than 1% of the 30,000 or so bikes made with the 'death forks'. " stlouis.craigslist.org/bik/5495969657.htmlIf this Viking Lambert is desirable, it may have already been sold. The above essay must be Sheldon Brown unattributed (or one of SB's friends that aided him in some of his writings)
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Post by kickstandman on Apr 5, 2016 6:23:23 GMT
Amazing, I caught a Lambert off of the Phoenix Craig's List but this isn't it either. Looks like another nice bike. phoenix.craigslist.org/cph/bik/5497036659.html (good price, $200) Caption: "Vintage 1970's Lambert of England - $200 (40st/Thomas Road)", in case links get scrambled. And that dear Watson, has a link to the Viking Badged Lambert!budgetbicyclectr.com/viking-lambert-grand-prix-professional-road-bicycle.htmlAt Budget Bicycle: I'm going to save the picture of the Viking image; maybe the bike is on CL somewhere. Kind of exciting to look through Craig's List this way, we actually tracked down the bike Cusqueno is probably talking about. $1200 bucks, so way out of range for me but perhaps one can save the photos, it would have to be a splendid bike. Some websites have of course, photo albums. Pretty cool. I'm not positive one can save the image, trying, I've got to be going in a few minutes, I'm not familiar with this website.
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Post by cusqueno on Apr 5, 2016 10:17:55 GMT
At the same time as the Viking, Lambert also produced a Reg Harris branded version. Scottw on this forum has one of those - I think there are pictures somewhere - and one is also featured on the Classic Rendezvous Lambert page. I'm a bit sceptical about the suggestion that Lambert grew out of Viking - I thought that Lambert was a creation of one Clive Marriot - but I may be wrong. If Busaste visits the forum perhaps he could confirm, as he has the most knowledge of the history of the Lambert/Viking marque of anyone that I know. Unusually, Sheldon Brown isn't 100% reliable on the subject. I wrote some notes on the history of Lambert & Viscount a few years' back on a blog - viscount-lambert-bikes.blogspot.co.uk/ - which unfortunately I have not kept up-to-date, partly because it is much easier to post on this forum. The notes were mainly based on Busaste's knowledge, as I recall.
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Post by cusqueno on Apr 5, 2016 10:50:24 GMT
I like the Seattle and Phoenix Lamberts - the latter particularly clean and shiny (but why don't the sellers show the drive sides?) and the St Louis Viscount is also very nice. With regard to the 'Budget' Bicycle Co. Lambert, I think this has been for sale for a lo-o-o-ong time and, although it looks identical to the FB posting, it isn't the same bike since it has a steel Suntour rear mech, not the original Lambert one - unless it was changed between 'photos!
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Post by kickstandman on Apr 6, 2016 0:20:56 GMT
The Phoenix and Seattle bikes are both triples, that Phoenix bicycle does appear to be in good condition with the goldish handlebars if I am correct. Maybe someone from out in those cities will buy it and look this forum up!
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Post by busaste on Apr 6, 2016 20:43:07 GMT
Lambert DID NOT grow out of Viking. Lambert was a new company. A fresh start and the brain child of Clive Marriot.
Clive Marriot bought the rights to use the Viking name on what were Lambert bicycles but in the end he hardly ever used it(!). Reg Harris's name was also used on some bikes too largely to promote Lambert. In fact, Reg Harris was - briefly - employed by Lambert largely to promote the then new company and endorse the 'Grand Prix' model. In those days, Reg Harris's name still carried considerable weight in the UK cycling scene.
You have to be careful with Reg Harris badged bikes because he did have a stint at producing his own in the 1960s at a small factory in, of all places, Macclesfield (Cheshire). Key workers had to be practically bribed to leave the bicycle manufacturing hub of Birmingham and district to work in rural Cheshire! Raleigh at that time was an enormous company that exerted considerable influence amongst bike dealers, tube manufacturers, etc, etc. For Reg harris it was very much a case of David verses Goliath and on that occasion Goliath triumphed. Is it any wonder Clive Marriot wanted to make all of his own parts for his Lambert venture? Shame he couldn't make it work though...
All of the Lambert/Viking/Reg Harris bikes were largely the same. The main differences between them apart from the obvious badges/stickers and paint colours were largely the result of parts supply issues and the failure of key parts - a problem which plagued Lambert and Viscount from start to, er, finish.
It is worth noting that early Lamberts and the Viking/Reg Harris badged Lamberts usually had rather nice lugged frames which were made for them by Knight Fabrications which later became Knight Cycles. Only the lugless frames could truly be regarded Lambert ones.
Hope this clears things up!
Cheers
Steve
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Post by kickstandman on Apr 7, 2016 2:04:18 GMT
Yes, thanks for the history lesson; very informative and a pity one might have to run through the discourse every so often. ------------------ I looked at the Budget Bicycle Center website for Viscounts; ouch! The prices are way too high. One can research it themselves, Now I see, this website is probably put up by the fellow in Madison Wisconsin who charges exorbitant prices on many bikes when on ebay. Just go to the part where it says "store" if anyone is interested. There is no doubt, he does often get a wide selection. budgetbicyclectr.com/store-info/locations?SID=acp17jbt5vquamfi8390bgsan3Otherwise, Madison has some pretty good deals for a town that has rather long winters; Waterford (I believe history says they came from Schwinn basically, complex history) is located in Wisconsin, Trek too; good bike companies.
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