jmac
Viscount
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Post by jmac on Jan 27, 2016 21:44:33 GMT
Hi all, New member as from today. I am looking for information about a bike I have owned for about 30 years. I bought it second hand have used it everyday for long periods of time, now I was thinking of restoring it. The bike is a viscount grand Prix, light blue in colour, 10speed simplex, drop handlebars. It has a sticker 'hand build in england' on it as well. Would be interested to know how old it is and any other information regarding it. I believe it has upgraded chrome forkes. Jmac.
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robt
Viscount
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Post by robt on Jan 27, 2016 22:31:28 GMT
jmac, welcome to this forum.
I've been a member for about 8 months and have learned things about my bikes that have helped me to improve and enjoy them so much more.
I don't have a Grand Prix myself, but I'm sure someone who has will be along shortly to give you some answers to your questions.
The feeling on here is that Viscount as a brand has been unfairly overlooked among the "British Classics", due in some part to most Google searches leading you to horror stories about the aluminium "Death Forks", which you seem to be aware of.
Most Viscount frames are well made and can be restored to their former glory very easily and (usually) cheaply, to turn them into very enjoyable regular rides. The fillet-brazed 'Aerospace' models are particularly good.
All I'd say is don't throw anything away, especially if your local bike shop tells you 'we can't get parts for those any more'. Replacement parts are all out there somewhere, half the fun is tracking them down.
The search for parts does throw up another problem, though. You will come across complete bikes that have the part you are looking for, often offered at a price lower than you think the part might be on its own. That's how your Viscount collection starts!
We're planning a relaxed get-together in June/July time, probably somewhere in the (English) Midlands. It's a good opportunity to chat face-to-face and share a beer with people who have done what you are planning. See the 'DFR4' thread.
Great to have you along for the ride - good luck with your restoration. Pictures are always welcome here once you work out how to post them.
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Post by sprockit on Jan 27, 2016 22:44:29 GMT
Hi jmac,
Welcome to the forum.
Many folk on here are amazed at just how good these bikes are. Viscount (and their predecessor Lambert) set out to build a quality bike at an affordable price - a policy which ultimately led to their downfall.
Is the frame held together with lugs, or does one tube just merge beautifully into another? The bottom bracket - pedal crank, spindle, etc can be a giveaway.
Transfers/decal styles can also give a rough idea of the era the bike is from.
Has the bike got any Shimano parts, i.e. wheel hubs, brake calipers, etc - as Shimano date stamp many of their components, and these can give a rough idea of when the bike was built.
If you can post some photos, they'll give us a better idea.
People post pictures via Photobucket and Flickr, amongst others. There are threads and posts on the forum on how to post pictures on here.
I'm just putting the finishing touches to a short post on how to roughly date some models of Viscount bikes.
Welcome to the madhouse!
Sprockit
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jmac
Viscount
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Post by jmac on Jan 28, 2016 7:06:10 GMT
Thanks guys for your posts, I will get a few photos up on line soon.
In the meantime to answer a question , yes the bike does have lugs on the frame.
Will get back soon
Thanks.
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Jem
Viscount
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Post by Jem on Jan 28, 2016 16:01:11 GMT
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jmac
Viscount
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Post by jmac on Jan 28, 2016 16:44:11 GMT
Hi, yes its quite like yours except for a few things. My derailer is a simplex one. My Wheels arent original either. Colour is exact match and decals match up too. Have you any idea what year it is?
I will post some pics shortly also will be looking for advice as what to do about restoring it??
Thanks J.
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Jem
Viscount
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Post by Jem on Jan 28, 2016 16:58:39 GMT
At a guess it's '81-'82 but the frame numbers don't help. I'd be interested to know your frame number though...
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jmac
Viscount
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Post by jmac on Jan 28, 2016 17:03:54 GMT
Will sort that out tonight when I get home from work. Will post later, thanks.
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jmac
Viscount
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Post by jmac on Jan 28, 2016 21:33:02 GMT
Attachment DeletedThis is the only number I can find on the bike think its something 002??
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jmac
Viscount
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Post by jmac on Jan 28, 2016 21:35:22 GMT
This is my grand Prix , anyone know anything about this model?
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Post by sprockit on Jan 29, 2016 0:09:16 GMT
Looking at the bike's styling I would say 1977 to 1979, possibly 1980 - certainly 'late Seventies'.
Although the bikes were stamped with a frame number, we don't know of any date system that was used, so the numbers seem very random, even if they are legible. Your bike will have a conventional English threaded bottom bracket, 1.37" x 24tpi, but to my eyes the chainring is not original.
Viscount also had issues with the supply of components, so your Grand Prix has Simplex derailleur (derailer in US), whereas Sooper8's has Huret.
As for the forks, your bike was never fitted with the infamous 'Death Fork', so no worries on that score, although I don't know enough about forks to say why it's full chrome, because most of the forks from this era were fully painted or half-chromed. Other people on here know an awful lot more about these things than I do.
I take it from the left brake lever operating the front brake that you are in the USA? We have many friends on that side of the Atlantic.
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Post by kickstandman on Jan 29, 2016 2:14:03 GMT
Looks like both of you have quite nice bikes, that other thread is entertaining.
I will say it again, I think a number of models from Viscount were not all that common here, Aerospaces are seen and Sebrings but I have not seen a Grand Prix.
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jmac
Viscount
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Post by jmac on Jan 29, 2016 7:09:15 GMT
Thanks again for the information on my grand Prix. The picture must not show very well but my front brake is controlled by the right hand lever. You are right about me being across the water but only as far as Northern irelandireland. I have another big question, is this bike a complete respray when I start restore?
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Post by dracco on Jan 29, 2016 13:50:39 GMT
There's nothing wrong with Left-hand drive bikes! (I've set mine up that way ever since I lived in Canada for a spell).
If you have a look at my restoration thread (imaginatively titled "Restoring my Viscount") it will show you what a respray can do. - I had mine sandblasted and powder-coated.
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Jem
Viscount
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Post by Jem on Jan 29, 2016 19:42:40 GMT
The frame number is par for the course ...incomprehensible and no help with dating.
People who worked there, and even those who have huge knowledge of the company can't work out the mystery of the frame numbers.
Dan Brown is writing the novel as we speak.
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Post by sprockit on Jan 31, 2016 15:11:50 GMT
Viscount produced bikes from 1973/4 until they went bust in 1983, and the styling is from the later part of that era. I have a couple of bikes from nearer the end of production, which are styled differently, so I'd say the latest your bike was made is probably mid-1982.
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jmac
Viscount
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Post by jmac on Jan 31, 2016 15:36:09 GMT
Thanks guys for your help, really looking forward to starting my project.
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