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Post by Jem on Jul 19, 2023 15:33:59 GMT
Has anyone tried these? I read that the top brand are called 'RideNow'. Not so much for weight saving , but these are much smaller to carry as a spare. I watched this video to get the info if anyone is interested
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Post by oldroadietehachapi on Jul 19, 2023 16:18:51 GMT
I may try these, at least for my bike bag. I have seen ads for TPU tubes from mainstream brands (like these from Vittoria), but at some $35, and a warning against rim brakes, I have shied away from them. The Ridenow brand seems to bring them into a more affordable price range ($14 or so); hopefully the are of decent quality. I found the following reviews of the Ridenow tubes.; they seemed mixed. Perhaps some customers did not heed the inflation warning for a bare tube, perhaps quality control problems.. "Top reviews from the United States 4.0 out of 5 stars Tube is fine, valve is faulty, replacement has been flawless Reviewed in the United States 🇺🇸 on July 11, 2023 Size: 700x18-32c SV65mmVerified Purchase no issues with packaging or quality of the tube. however, the valve did not seal. the presto, finger tight, leaked air down to 20 psi. I had to pump it up to 90+ psi, then quickly tighten with pliers to keep it from hissing. It had dropped ~70 psi by then. I did ride 20+ miles on it. It then lost all air over night. I ordered a replacement that arrived two day later. It was apparent the previous tube had been a returned as the replacement packaging was cleaner, the band was branded, and the valve hole tape was included. No issue with the replacement. For the pack size a weight, I'll switch completely to TPU tubes and replace instead of repair on the road. 5.0 out of 5 stars Some of the lightest tubes period w/ great rolling resistance in a extremely small package Reviewed in the United States 🇺🇸 on June 19, 2023 Size: 700x18-32c SV65mmVerified Purchase These are my go to tubes. Extremely small, maybe 1/4 of the size of a traditional butyl and maybe half the size of a latex which means these easily fit into a back jersey pocket or even the smallest saddle bags. At 45mm, 65mm, and 85mm you probably will never need extender valves. These come in at a true 36g and this is probably 3.5X less weight than a butyl or half the weight of a latex tube, yet is more puncture resistant than both butyl and latex. But there is more, TPU tubes have about the same rolling resistance as latex tubes, thus TPU tubes are the smallest, lightest, and fastest tubes out there. If this wasn't impressive enough RideNow makes even lighter Super Light version at 26g. The only con IMO is that these things cost $15-$20 but even then a Tubolito costs $25-$38 per tube. I have put these tubes on all my bikes and knock on wood I have only had two tubes go bad. One tube the valve core was loose and could not be fixed and the other was a tube that had glass puncture it but was later patched. 1.0 out of 5 stars LIGHTWEIGHT - FRAGILE - POOR QUALITY CONTROL - BUT BRIGHTLY COLORED! Reviewed in the United States 🇺🇸 on June 23, 2023 Size: 700x18-32c SV45mmVerified Purchase When they work they're great! Unfortunately after buying THREE tubes and only getting ONE that worked I was incredibly disappointed. Bottom Line Up Front: I would not trust these for any long rides or even as a backup tube. The positives: - Low rolling resistance - Great easy to see "line" indicator to know the tube is centered. - Really easy to install with great directions and a dashed line to make the installation simple. - Bright pink color makes install super easy and avoids pinching - Very clear directions - Ultra compact size The Bad - One of three tubes had a leak out of the package - Second of three tubes had a flat within 1 hour of being installed in a BRAND NEW TIRE. - Plastic stems on the tubes make CO2 use impossible and leaks out the side. Also many bike pumps will leak air when trying to inflate due to the smaller size. - Plastic stem prevents the use of a washer to secure the valve to the wheel, and an entry point for water on the wheel - TPU material is thin and prone to flats due to puncture. I had a flat on my first ride in the fist 2 hours on a brand new tire. I had ZERO flats with the same brand tire a diffferent tube over months. - Patch kit does not always adhere properly even with prep (alcohol). I ended up using a separate patch kit that worked perfectly so now I pack my own kit. 5.0 out of 5 stars Durable Reviewed in the United States 🇺🇸 on July 7, 2023 Size: 700x18-32c SV65mmVerified Purchase I will use them in the senior Olympics 1.0 out of 5 stars Unreliable Tubes Reviewed in the United States 🇺🇸 on June 23, 2023 Size: 700x18-32c SV65mmVerified Purchase I did only one group ride on these tubes and the tube exploded before the second ride even started, when I wasn't even riding the bike. These tubes are not safe and are not reliable."
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Post by Jem on Jul 19, 2023 17:10:29 GMT
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Post by oldroadietehachapi on Jul 20, 2023 14:59:53 GMT
RideNow says their tube are compatible with rim brakes, so I bought four ($48) to carry as spares. In addition to the weight and size, I like the idea that one size fits all (700/18-32); I currently have to sort my kit by tube size.
Jim
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Post by brianbutler on Jul 20, 2023 17:43:36 GMT
RideNow says their tube are compatible with rim brakes, so I bought four ($48) to carry as spares. In addition to the weight and size, I like the idea that one size fits all (700/18-32); I currently have to sort my kit by tube size. Jim What would be the concern, heat from the brakes?
Also, are size and weight the main benefits of these tubes? I got into the weeds reading the reviews and could not tell what people expected.
Brian
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Post by oldroadietehachapi on Jul 20, 2023 20:10:05 GMT
I find the small size and light weight to be attractive for use as a spare; generally, butyl tubes are fine for me. Certain brands do not recommend using their TPU tubes with rim brakes as the material may not stand up to the heat generated on long descents. This caught my eye as I live in the mountains. These days my rides are more leisurely than in the past; On long steep descents, I used to get brake fade from overheated brake pads. These days (other than steep descents on my ebike) I only experience warm (not hot) rims.
Cheers Jim
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Post by Jem on Jul 20, 2023 20:22:33 GMT
Also, are size and weight the main benefits of these tubes? I got into the weeds reading the reviews and could not tell what people expected.
Brian
The benefit I can see (for me) would be the space saving when carrying a couple for spares. And it seems that from AliExpress they are only a bit more expensive than 'regular' tubes.
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Post by Jem on Aug 21, 2023 16:45:10 GMT
RideNow says their tube are compatible with rim brakes, so I bought four ($48) to carry as spares. In addition to the weight and size, I like the idea that one size fits all (700/18-32); I currently have to sort my kit by tube size. Jim Did you ever try these Jim? I have a couple of RideNow on order from AliExpress ,£11 including delivery.
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Post by oldroadietehachapi on Aug 21, 2023 18:09:43 GMT
"Did you ever try these Jim?"
Yes and no; they reside in my bike bags. I most likely will not install one until I get a flat. They are very small, which is handy for the bike bag.
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Post by Jem on Sept 1, 2023 7:31:04 GMT
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Post by Jem on Apr 13, 2024 18:34:38 GMT
UPDATE - I had to use one of these the other day when out on a ride.
Really nice to handle and fit. I couldn't tell much difference in the ride except that the tyre seemed to make a higher pitched tone when rolling on tarmac.
Not sure if my tube was an aberration or this is how they are designed , but it doesn't have a thread on the stem of the valve to put a locking ring on, so there is a small gap between valve and rim, which isn't the end of the world for a temporary tube, but I would imagine some ingress will occur?
Verdict - hugely convenient in terms of weight/size , and nice to handle and fit. Only finished the ride of a few miles after fitting so can't comment on longevity
Anyone else who uses these find that the valve didn't have thread on them?
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Post by wheelson on Apr 15, 2024 21:14:12 GMT
There’s some good info on TPU tubes at renehersecycles.com I haven’t gone this route yet, but it sounds like there are some real advantages. Best, John “wheelson”
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Post by brianbutler on Apr 16, 2024 10:49:20 GMT
Has anyone adapted TPU tubes for 27" wheels with Schrader valve holes?. There are presta valve nuts with flanges that secure the valve in a Shrader hole but the TPU tubes I have seen have unthreaded valves so that's not an option. There are also plastic grommets that fit in the Schrader hole and reduce it to presta width. It seems two of these would be required on a double wall rim for best support of the valve.
A related question is whether a 700C TPU tube will function correctly with a 27" rim and tire, or will it be stretched too much?
The real solution would be to find 27" TPU tubes, but I have not seen them yet.
For the few flats I get each year, I will probably continue carrying butyl tubes and a patch kit (and a pump, not CO2), but the TPU tubes are attractive for size and weight.
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Post by Jem on Apr 16, 2024 16:17:02 GMT
A related question is whether a 700C TPU tube will function correctly with a 27" rim and tire, or will it be stretched too much? I am almost certain they would be fine.
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Post by dracco on Apr 21, 2024 17:53:30 GMT
700C butyl tubes work fine on 27" wheels, I don't know of any reason why TPU tubes should not be OK.
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Post by brianbutler on Apr 21, 2024 23:39:59 GMT
700C butyl tubes work fine on 27" wheels, I don't know of any reason why TPU tubes should not be OK. I have never used them. For no good reason, I thought they would be less elastic and prone to problems if they were stretched. I might get a couple to see what they are like.
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Post by Jem on Apr 22, 2024 5:37:33 GMT
700C butyl tubes work fine on 27" wheels, I don't know of any reason why TPU tubes should not be OK. I have never used them. For no good reason, I thought they would be less elastic and prone to problems if they were stretched. I might get a couple to see what they are like.
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They are really nice to handle Brian, - they come up large and are so light that you only need to give them a tiny bit of air, then push up into tyre before getting both sides of rim on. You are quite right, they don't stretch , but none is needed to install. It was easier than a butyl in my opinion. And I had no worry that I was going to pinch puncture it with lever as I do with rubber ones. I am not sure I expect longevity from it, but I will leave it on just to see how it goes. The purpose of having one in my bag was just to save space.
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Post by brianbutler on Apr 22, 2024 10:25:05 GMT
I ordered a 4-pack of of TPU tubes, 2 for a lightweight Viscount Aerospace single-speed I am building, and two for spares. The wheels for the build have Presta valve holes so no problem there.
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Post by Jem on Apr 23, 2024 19:44:17 GMT
UPDATE - I gave the positives on the TPU tubes, now come some negatives (unexplained as yet)
So, to recap . Had a puncture in regular 'rubber' tube last Friday (thorn showing out of tyre and into the tube. (Good old fashioned puncture, no mystery)
Replaced with the TPU and finished the few miles back, all was fine. Looked at it a few days ago and it was still up. Went to it quite early this morning for a 'time sensitive' appointment and found it flat. Pumped it up and gave it 5 mins and it held up. Went out on it (with the other spare TPU tube, just in case) and within 10 mins of riding , it was down.
Replaced with another TPU and it ran fine for 7 miles. Then flat! I couldn't find a puncture, but was at side of busy road , so it wasn't conclusive. Went back to the butyl tube from last Friday that I had fortuitously fixed yesterday and then luckily put in my bag this morning on the way out.
I haven't had time to properly inspect them yet, but I just pumped one of them up at the table, and it was holding up. No audible hissing, but I have left it where it is and will inspect later.
I have no idea what is wrong with them, but I will get to the bottom of it. Bit mysterious
Conclusion - hugely convenient , until the moment they aren't.
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Post by dracco on Apr 23, 2024 20:41:45 GMT
Online reviews are mixed. Of course, you'll always find examples of people who've had a bad experience, if you look for them, but TPU tubes seem to be variable in quality - or at least in people's experience of them.
On Cycle Chat from January 24: "I’ve recently purchased several Ridenow TPU tubes. The ride is fine but they leak down 7 to 10 psi per day. Both front and rear tubes. After several water tests I found that they were both leaking past the presta valve along the inside of the plastic stem. To be clear, the valve is not leaking. The air is passing between the valve and the plastic stem. I treated my third tube by applying a small bead of super glue where the body of the valve and the opening of the stem. No problem with the third tube. "
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"I've similarly had an issue with Wiggle/ChainReaction's Lifeline tubes. When they get wet in heavy rain the glue on the valve detaches with an instantaneous deflation."
on the other hand (from the author of the first comment): "I’ve tried another brand, Heasygo, and so far so good. Made of tougher material and no leaks in several days."
You pays your money and you takes your choice....
(leaky valve cores seem to be increasing in prevalence, in my experience:I've had several Butyl tubes with this problem in the last couple of years. I don't remember it ever being much of a problem previously)
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Post by brianbutler on Apr 24, 2024 14:00:47 GMT
I was looking forward to trying these and still probably will, but in a fit of anxiety I might return them before opening the box. We are in the midst of spring street sweeping. It is nice to have the winter sand, salt, sticks, and other rubbish off the edge of the road but it has the unfortunate side effect of scattering debris into the travel lane where I ride. I think some of the tiny flakes of stone, glass, and plant material end up standing on end, ready to puncture a bike tire. After a week or so, cars will have picked up or toppled them and they will no longer be a microscopic threat.
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Post by Jem on Apr 24, 2024 15:31:19 GMT
Got up this morning and they are maybe 7-10 PSI per tube, as stated in Draco's post
Had them both in water today and discovered a small air leak in the seam of one, but nothing in the other. It doesn't look like a puncture from an object, it is so small, that I cannot see it except when pressure is applied in water, so it might just be inherent fault in material?
The patch they supply (only 1x per tube) is adhering well and doesnt show a leak in that spot now.
Reading up on these a bit more and the issues mentioned include leaking presta valve top. If you do not screw it tightly shut, then it just leaks out of it's own accord.
I'm disappointed , as these were so convenient that it seems like game changer in terms of size and weight in the bag. But I don't have total confidence in them now. I might mail 'RideNow' and see what they say.
Both are fully inflated again , and I will report back
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Post by brianbutler on Apr 24, 2024 17:21:13 GMT
Got up this morning and they are maybe 7-10 PSI per tube, as stated in Draco's post Had them both in water today and discovered a small air leak in the seam of one, but nothing in the other. It doesn't look like a puncture from an object, it is so small, that I cannot see it except when pressure is applied in water, so it might just be inherent fault in material? The patch they supply (only 1x per tube) is adhering well and doesnt show a leak in that spot now. Reading up on these a bit more and the issues mentioned include leaking presta valve top. If you do not screw it tightly shut, then it just leaks out of it's own accord. I'm disappointed , as these were so convenient that it seems like game changer in terms of size and weight in the bag. But I don't have total confidence in them now. I might mail 'RideNow' and see what they say. Both are fully inflated again , and I will report back Jem, thanks for your reporting. I think I will send mine back. I don't mind carrying a butyl spare but I would mind very much messing around with something I don't trust.
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Post by Jem on Apr 24, 2024 19:18:50 GMT
Got up this morning and they are maybe 7-10 PSI per tube, as stated in Draco's post Had them both in water today and discovered a small air leak in the seam of one, but nothing in the other. It doesn't look like a puncture from an object, it is so small, that I cannot see it except when pressure is applied in water, so it might just be inherent fault in material? The patch they supply (only 1x per tube) is adhering well and doesnt show a leak in that spot now. Reading up on these a bit more and the issues mentioned include leaking presta valve top. If you do not screw it tightly shut, then it just leaks out of it's own accord. I'm disappointed , as these were so convenient that it seems like game changer in terms of size and weight in the bag. But I don't have total confidence in them now. I might mail 'RideNow' and see what they say. Both are fully inflated again , and I will report back Jem, thanks for your reporting. I think I will send mine back. I don't mind carrying a butyl spare but I would mind very much messing around with something I don't trust.
Brian
No problem - I now wish I had waited to give balanced conclusion on these. I suppose mine could be a bad batch , or they could just be inherently liable to problems. One word review...'disappointed'
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Post by Jem on Apr 26, 2024 6:44:47 GMT
Well, I wasn't expecting a reply , but RideNow got straight back to me and seem intent on working out the issues with the tubes and wanted photo/video of the one with leak, with location of it etc
They are also sending out a couple of replacement tubes at no cost.
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