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Post by brianbutler on Feb 3, 2021 15:06:11 GMT
Here is the first bike of the season to roll off the assembly line after a nuts and bolts disassembly and refurb - a gold 1977 Motobecane Grand Touring. This one has a Suntour V-GT Luxe RD, Suntour V Comp FD, Suntour Power ratchet shifters, Suntour Perfect 5 freewheel, SR Apex 50/42 crankset, Weinmann center pull brakes and levers, Weinmann rims and Panaracer Pasela 27-1/8" tires with Presta tubes to fit the rims' valve holes, and a Selle Italia suede saddle. The handlebars are wrapped with brown cloth tape, bound with rattan, and shellacked. Everything is French threaded except the BB, which is unfortunately hens-tooth Swiss. Could be a main ride this year.
Brian
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Post by oldroadietehachapi on Feb 3, 2021 15:23:07 GMT
Very nice! You did a great job and the old Moto looks great! The Suntour V components are some of my favorites. The brown cloth with Rattan is a great match for the color of the bike. I have a Moto of similar vintage and am a fan of the brand.
Cheers Jim
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Post by brianbutler on Feb 3, 2021 16:42:57 GMT
Very nice! You did a great job and the old Moto looks great! The Suntour V components are some of my favorites. The brown cloth with Rattan is a great match for the color of the bike. I have a Moto of similar vintage and am a fan of the brand. Cheers Jim Thanks Jim. I like the Suntour V's myself. The V Comp FD takes some getting used to with the normal high arrangement but I have it on a couple of bikes so I get to practice frequently.
Brian
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Post by Jem on Feb 3, 2021 19:38:01 GMT
That is a nice looking bike Brian. You do have a tried and tested production line going now.
That's the kind of bike I'd like to pull out of the shed any day of the week. I love the classic look.
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Post by brianbutler on Feb 3, 2021 21:33:15 GMT
After I got this one and saw the nice components, I noticed a red one for sale cheap so I bought it sight unseen. Unfortunately it is a 1975 and a far inferior bike - carbon steel frame instead of the double butted Vitus tubing on the 1977. I still got a lot of good French parts I can use elsewhere, though.
Brian
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Post by franco on Feb 3, 2021 22:58:25 GMT
Great work Brian. Looks classy! You’ll be spoilt for choice come springtime
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Post by triitout on Feb 4, 2021 4:13:06 GMT
I have a "modern" Motobecane that is my go to triathlon bike. The Motobecane name was acquired by www.bikesdirect.com and has no relation to the original French company but it still evokes a bit of nostalgia with the original logo. It's a titanium frame and rides like a very lightweight steel frame coming in at about 17-18 pounds. I like to think it looks a bit likes the Viscount Supabike with its brushed metal finish. One of my racing friends laments getting rid her original french Motobecane that she cut her teeth on. Brian, it's good to see that you've given a second lease on life to yours. Well done! IMG_0463 IMG_0462
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Post by oldroadietehachapi on Feb 4, 2021 5:26:06 GMT
They seem to also picked up the old Windsor brand as well.
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Post by brianbutler on Feb 4, 2021 12:24:16 GMT
They seem to also picked up the old Windsor brand as well. Jim, were the Windsors made in Mexico? I seem to remember reading they were a Colnago knockoffs or something like that. I see them up for sale sometimes but have a feeling there are two different Windsor brands out there - one top end and the other rubbish - maybe pre- and post-BikeDirect?
Brian
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Post by wheelson on Feb 4, 2021 16:11:07 GMT
After I got this one and saw the nice components, I noticed a red one for sale cheap so I bought it sight unseen. Unfortunately it is a 1975 and a far inferior bike - carbon steel frame instead of the double butted Vitus tubing on the 1977. I still got a lot of good French parts I can use elsewhere, though. Brian Brian, Really nice work on the Moto. You’ve motivated me to get busy on my ‘60s Motobecane Cyclotouriste. It’s probably gas pipe tubing, but 650b with cantilevers and originally a camping bike of sorts. Best, John “wheelson”
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Post by brianbutler on Feb 4, 2021 18:02:50 GMT
After I got this one and saw the nice components, I noticed a red one for sale cheap so I bought it sight unseen. Unfortunately it is a 1975 and a far inferior bike - carbon steel frame instead of the double butted Vitus tubing on the 1977. I still got a lot of good French parts I can use elsewhere, though. Brian Brian, Really nice work on the Moto. You’ve motivated me to get busy on my ‘60s Motobecane Cyclotouriste. It’s probably gas pipe tubing, but 650b with cantilevers and originally a camping bike of sorts. Best, John “wheelson” That sounds like a nice one, John. My "Grand Touring" is a touring bike in name only - 2 speed chainset, no braze-ons, not enough clearance for fenders. As far as I can tell, the difference between the 1977 Motobecane Grand Touring and Grand Jubile models is a 30-tooth freewheel vs 28, and a long cage Suntour V RD vs short cage. I have a Trek 520 that I have used for camping. This past fall, a guy was selling a nice Miyata 610 on Facebook for $40. I tried desperately to buy it but like all things Facebook it was tedious and ultimately fruitless.
Brian
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Post by oldroadietehachapi on Feb 5, 2021 5:23:20 GMT
They seem to also picked up the old Windsor brand as well. Jim, were the Windsors made in Mexico? I seem to remember reading they were a Colnago knockoffs or something like that. I see them up for sale sometimes but have a feeling there are two different Windsor brands out there - one top end and the other rubbish - maybe pre- and post-BikeDirect?
Brian
I have had a Windsor and a Carabela in my past; they both were nice bikes. I have a soft spot for them and a lot of good memories. Both brands were made by AcerMex in Mexico. Here is a picture of my Carabela (my first restoration); it was not Cinelli like, more French in nature.
My Windsor AM-6 Touring had Columbus tubing and was basically a Windsor Pro with Suntour dropouts (instead of Campy). It was nearly a dead ringer for a Cinelli; sadly I do not have a picture but one is in the 1978 catalog.
The story of Acer-Mex by Daniel Jansen Torres follows.
Acer-Mex, manufacturers of Windsor, Carabela and other brands...
Windsor This line of bicycles included many models but is best known for their Cinelli-look Pro and Competition. They were produced in Mexico in the 1970s and early 1980s. The 2 models used a similar frame but primarily differed in the components packages, the Pro with Campagnolo Nuovo Record and the Competition with Suntour. Similar models were made bearing the Carabela marque; the parent company being Acer-Mex, a large domestic bicycle producer. The tubing was Columbus and the workmanship generally was good. The lugs and seat stay attachment looked very like Cinelli's top models, but unlike Cinelli, the fork crown was an external box crown. Unfortunately, a few unethical owners have placed Cinelli decals on these bikes! Beneath the Pro in the lineup was the Carerra Sport, made of chromoly tubing, sometimes Japanese Tange. Stylistically these bikes differed greatly from the Pro & Competition, having fancier stamped lugs and a more French-look in detail and featured Japanese componentry as well. In very recent years, this brand has reappeared on mail-order Chinese made bikes, apparently as a result of a licensing arrangement.
"My first hand knowledge of these bikes were in 1976 when as a member of my university's cycling team in Guadalajara Mexico. (Universidad Autonoma de Guadalajara) I went to Mexico City to the factory (Windsor, aka Acer-Mex) and was custom fitted a Windsor pro bike. The builder of these bikes was a gentleman by the name of Remo Vecchi, who had worked for Cinelli in Italy, until he was brought over to Mexico to build these bikes. It is this reason I believe why the Windsor Pros are virtual copies of actual Cinelli's." "At this time there was an extreme rivalry between another Mexican Bike company by the name of Benotto. It was an opportunity that Acer-Mex wanted to bring recognition for their bikes into the world market since it was they who had paid for a large percentage of costs for the world record of Eddy Merckx in Mexico City." "Everyone new that Mr. Merckx was not really riding a Mexican bike but an Italian one, but since the general public did not know about this (bike swap) Acer-Mex/Windsor just went along selling these bikes (Windsor Pros) assuming the public believed he actually did ride a Windsor. Benotto had been trying to get M. Merckx to go with them instead of Windsor. But like they say In Mexico "with money dance the Dog". It has been thirty years since I graduated from my University and I still have my Windsor Pro. It is in mint condition and I still ride it." Daniel Jansen Torres
All the Best Jim
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Post by brianbutler on Feb 5, 2021 13:00:34 GMT
Nice restoration, Jim. Thanks for the write-up. I read that sometime in the past and must have mentally changed Cinelli to Colnago. Brian
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