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Post by franco on Dec 12, 2020 11:11:25 GMT
An interesting video that popped up on my feed. He discusses how once you use a bicycle for a daily commute you automatically become part of an out-group and some of the perils of cycling.
I found the term ‘rolling coal’ interesting, I have had vehicles throw fumes out at me on purpose but didn’t know this was what it is called. He talks about the ‘punishment pass’ as well.
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Post by ks1u on Dec 12, 2020 19:02:33 GMT
Interesting perspective. I learned something new also. I didn't know those blasts of diesel were from modifications. I'll bet everyone here has many stories about unpleasant encounters with the anti cyclists.
George
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Post by brianbutler on Dec 12, 2020 20:54:46 GMT
I started paying attention to what situations cause drivers to become aggressive and reckless. It is mainly when they are put in the uncomfortable position of having to make a risky decision such as:
Can I see far enough around that curve to pass the bike? Will I have a head-on collision if I pass this car before the crest of the hill? Will I be able to swerve around the bike and brake hard enough to make my turn in front of them?
Unfortunately if any of these scenarios goes bad, the easy recovery is to crowd (or hit) the bike.
I did some experiments alone and with another rider. One involved demonstrating to drivers that the bike "might" take the entire lane. I did this by watching my rearview mirror and when I saw a car approaching at a distance I would pull out into the middle of the lane and then back to the edge. Invariably the car would pass me with very wide clearance or even slow if there was oncoming traffic so they could give me wide clearance. For experimental control, I tested staying near the edge of the road. In those cases most, but not all, cars passed much closer.
On one of my standard rides I have a long downhill with two tight curves. Even though I am traveling at or near the posted speed limit, cars and especially pickup trucks often feel the need to pass, even on the curves. Sometimes oncoming cars blare horns. Sometimes the car suddenly slows and hovers just behind and beside me, seemingly unsure of what to do. Sometimes they pinch me into the curve. In many of those cases I can tell the driver is angry (or embarrassed) afterward, either by aggressive (i.e. reckless) driving after the fact, hand gestures, etc.
Now what I do is take the entire lane well in advance of the curves to keep people from trying something stupid. Blocking them not only makes it safer. It also does not aggravate drivers in the same way. After I pull back to the side after blocking on the curves they generally pass courteously and with wide clearance.
My hypothesis is that it is not being inconvenienced by the bike, per se, that aggravates the driver. It is being made to feel incompetent and retaliating. This is especially true with younger male drivers. So the best policy seems to be taking away their options, which relieves them of the need to make risky decisions.
Brian
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Post by franco on Dec 12, 2020 21:40:37 GMT
Interesting theory Brian.
I’ve tried to be overly courteous tucking in towards the kerb a lot and a more taking control approach. Both show mixed results.
The worst one was a few months back, I took a lane then stopped at a red light. When the light changed I set off and the car behind me went on my inside to overtake me, when she got round me she gave me the finger out of the car window. She got held up with oncoming traffic making a right turn not far down the road and I caught up with her. I was in two minds what to do, then remembered I don’t ride a bike to get into confrontations and went past.
I found how you dress and your setup makes a difference. If I go out in normal clothes with a rucksack drivers seem to be more respectful, like I’m commuting to work just going about my business. Even a rear rack and panniers helps, yet going out in full lycra on an all-out road bike seems to infuriate some drivers.
Whole thing is a bit bizarre really.
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Post by oldroadietehachapi on Dec 12, 2020 23:44:22 GMT
Some diesel truck owners enjoy the practice of Rolling Coal where a massive amount of diesel smoke is produced when passing cyclists. I have been bombed by a diesel pickup. It is often seen as a form of Anti-environmentalism. Those who enjoy this practice call it Prius repellent.
I have met some folks who hate cyclists; they think cyclists should ride only in a ditch or on a sidewalk. One such person bragged of buzzing cyclists and forcing them off the road. I have met young mothers who refuse the give extra clearance to a cyclist as to move nearer the center-line endangers their children. They say they will not move for a stupid cyclist and the bike should get out of their way.
Some riders aggravate these types by failing to ride single file (to let a car pass) or blatantly cutting between cars.
Nevertheless, some folks are morons
Jim
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Post by Admin on Dec 13, 2020 8:10:24 GMT
This is just one symptom of a much wider psychological sickness in society in general in my opinion.
I won't go into detail on my 'thesis' here , as I have too many things to do today. But you probably get the idea anyway?
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Post by brianbutler on Dec 13, 2020 13:41:22 GMT
This is just one symptom of a much wider psychological sickness in society in general in my opinion. I won't go into detail on my 'thesis' here , as I have too many things to do today. But you probably get the idea anyway? Aw, go ahead. Brian
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Post by brianbutler on Dec 13, 2020 13:49:26 GMT
For some reason this thread reminds me of the only time I have actually had contact with a car while cycling. I was coming downhill through a neighboring town, staying what I thought was far enough from parked cars. But a lady in a Cadillac coupe opened her door in front of me. Those car doors must be six feet long. Anyway, I didn't want to veer into traffic or hit the edge of the door, so I came to a skidding stop INSIDE the door and fell into the car. She was rather surprised, probably not in a good way, to have a cyclist on her lap.
Brian
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Post by oldroadietehachapi on Dec 13, 2020 14:32:15 GMT
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Post by franco on Dec 13, 2020 16:36:16 GMT
Does anyone here run a head cam or otherwise?
I really didn’t want to go down that route but this thread, Jim’s thread and some recent close experiences has made me wonder if it’s worth investing in one of the budget versions that have good reviews.
It’s the world we are living in now isn’t it? The amount of drivers you see with dash cams and the rest of it.
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Post by franco on Dec 13, 2020 16:42:52 GMT
Idiots, and the comments are depressing. “Get off the busy roads” and go where? Walkers moan when you go down the trails, motorists moan when you go on the roads, pedestrians moan when you go on the pavement...
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Post by oldroadietehachapi on Dec 13, 2020 16:56:03 GMT
Does anyone here run a head cam or otherwise? I really didn’t want to go down that route but this thread, Jim’s thread and some recent close experiences has made me wonder if it’s worth investing in one of the budget versions that have good reviews. It’s the world we are living in now isn’t it? The amount of drivers you see with dash cams and the rest of it. I too am interested in some sort of camera. These are supposed to be great, but the cost! Do we have reasonably priced options?
Ride Well Jim
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Post by franco on Dec 13, 2020 18:19:22 GMT
Does anyone here run a head cam or otherwise? I really didn’t want to go down that route but this thread, Jim’s thread and some recent close experiences has made me wonder if it’s worth investing in one of the budget versions that have good reviews. It’s the world we are living in now isn’t it? The amount of drivers you see with dash cams and the rest of it. I too am interested in some sort of camera. These are supposed to be great, but the cost! Do we have reasonably priced options?
Ride Well Jim
This one got me interested, Jim. Currently on offer at £33 and I would need the additional adapter at £13 so I could link it up to iPhone/iPad.
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Post by ks1u on Dec 13, 2020 18:36:49 GMT
Does anyone here run a head cam or otherwise? I really didn’t want to go down that route but this thread, Jim’s thread and some recent close experiences has made me wonder if it’s worth investing in one of the budget versions that have good reviews. It’s the world we are living in now isn’t it? The amount of drivers you see with dash cams and the rest of it. I use Cycliq cameras on the front and rear. They have built in lighting and are really small. I've used the video to have police talk to drivers.
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Post by franco on Dec 13, 2020 20:30:21 GMT
Does anyone here run a head cam or otherwise? I really didn’t want to go down that route but this thread, Jim’s thread and some recent close experiences has made me wonder if it’s worth investing in one of the budget versions that have good reviews. It’s the world we are living in now isn’t it? The amount of drivers you see with dash cams and the rest of it. I use Cycliq cameras on the front and rear. They have built in lighting and are really small. I've used the video to have police talk to drivers. Thanks George, I thought you had mentioned you used them at some point. Do you find them easy to use? Suppose it’s no different to rechargeable lights having to take them off regularly.
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Post by ks1u on Dec 13, 2020 22:17:03 GMT
I use Cycliq cameras on the front and rear. They have built in lighting and are really small. I've used the video to have police talk to drivers. Thanks George, I thought you had mentioned you used them at some point. Do you find them easy to use? Suppose it’s no different to rechargeable lights having to take them off regularly. I've been using them for about 4 years now and have had no issues with either of them. I have mounts on all my bikes for them and they easily twist on and off. The resolution and hours of video they hold is really amazing. They are not cheap, I believe about $230, but I wanted to be sure to have a camera capable of getting license plates accurately. I started with the rear one and then bought the front one a year later. They have an accident feature which will not allow the camera to overwrite a segment where the bike goes beyond a preset number of degrees to the right or left. The lights on them are also quite bright and the batteries last for many hours between charges. I became frustrated with the police telling me there was no proof of an incident and the cameras keep me much calmer knowing I have video proof from the front and rear.
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Post by ks1u on Dec 14, 2020 0:16:47 GMT
I edited my previous comment because in retrospect I thought I gave too much detail which didn't add anything of importance in responding to the original question and probably wasn't in my best interest.
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Post by oldroadietehachapi on Dec 14, 2020 5:00:42 GMT
Some 30+ years ago my brother-in-law (a Cat 4 racer) had an altercation that sort of fits this thread. It happened while they were riding on remote Godde Hill Road (near Quartz Hill California). He and his buddy were on a training ride, when a dump truck drove along next to them cursing, telling them to get off the road as they do not pay road tax, and generally being a jerk. My brother-in-law, being a judicious man, flipped him the bird. The truck then pulled ahead of them and stopped, blocking their path. The very drunk driver climbed out of the truck and said “no ******* bike flips me the bird”. The irate driver charged my brother-in-law and they soon were having a fist fight next to the road. My brother-in-law soon pounded him into a more reasonable attitude with the driver saying, “You sure kicked my ***”. As the pair rode away, my brother-in-law became concerned. He feared that once the truck driver climbed out of the ditch, he would run them over. His buddy said not to worry. He had removed the keys from the truck. He then held them up and tossed them into a deep gully. Lesson learned, if you find yourself in a similar situation, keep your gloves and helmet on, and remember to take the jerks’ keys.
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Post by wheelson on Dec 14, 2020 14:40:28 GMT
Some 30+ years ago my brother-in-law (a Cat 4 racer) had an altercation that sort of fits this thread. It happened while they were riding on remote Godde Hill Road (near Quartz Hill California). He and his buddy were on a training ride, when a dump truck drove along next to them cursing, telling them to get off the road as they do not pay road tax, and generally being a jerk. My brother-in-law, being a judicious man, flipped him the bird. The truck then pulled ahead of them and stopped, blocking their path. The very drunk driver climbed out of the truck and said “no ******* bike flips me the bird”. The irate driver charged my brother-in-law and they soon were having a fist fight next to the road. My brother-in-law soon pounded him into a more reasonable attitude with the driver saying, “You sure kicked my ***”. As the pair rode away, my brother-in-law became concerned. He feared that once the truck driver climbed out of the ditch, he would run them over. His buddy said not to worry. He had removed the keys from the truck. He then held them up and tossed them into a deep gully. Lesson learned, if you find yourself in a similar situation, keep your gloves and helmet on, and remember to take the jerks’ keys.
That’s music to the ear, Jim. My “altercation” was quite a bit milder, almost laughable. Some years ago I my son and I were riding one of the backroads here in western Pennsylvania. It was a really hot day and we were off our bikes hydrating underneath this huge tree next to the road. A lone biker on a Harley roared up to the stop sign and yelled “you shouldn’t be on the roads, yinz don’t pay no taxes (expletives deleted)”. He roared off leaving me a bit irritated as I at that time both my son and I were gainfully employed, had four cars on my insurance, and paid PA’s more than reasonable gasoline tax. I guess he had one too many at the club as bikers are usually reasonably friendly to us two wheel cousins. Best, John “wheelson”
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Post by brianbutler on Dec 14, 2020 15:05:38 GMT
Here is the closest I have come to a cycling altercation - Florida Everglades, Jan. 2019
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Post by ks1u on Dec 14, 2020 15:35:47 GMT
Here is the closest I have come to a cycling altercation - Florida Everglades, Jan. 2019
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He looks well fed!
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Post by brianbutler on Dec 14, 2020 16:27:05 GMT
Haha. Both of us look pretty well fed. Brian
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Post by dracco on Dec 14, 2020 17:46:00 GMT
You weren't running on Gatorskins, were you?
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Post by brianbutler on Dec 14, 2020 19:39:02 GMT
You weren't running on Gatorskins, were you? The bike was a single speed rental so probably not, although puncture protection might be have been advisable. Brian
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