Jem
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Post by Jem on Mar 26, 2022 20:22:43 GMT
Now I need to just figure out how to get it put in and the old one taken out. I am not sure if it's the recommended method, but I liberally sprayed PlusGas on there , then just tapped the bearings with a hammer/screwdriver until they seemed to be 'offset' a little, then just hit the spindle end on, quite hard. It eventually flew out with a ton of gunk, and all was fine. Bustaste used his homemade press tool to fit new. Good luck with it if you do it yourself! Let us know how it goes.
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Post by brianbutler on Mar 26, 2022 21:19:00 GMT
Now I need to just figure out how to get it put in and the old one taken out. I am not sure if it's the recommended method, but I liberally sprayed PlusGas on there , then just tapped the bearings with a hammer/screwdriver until they seemed to be 'offset' a little, then just hit the spindle end on, quite hard. It eventually flew out with a ton of gunk, and all was fine. Bustaste used his homemade press tool to fit new. Good luck with it if you do it yourself! Let us know how it goes. I would add that you should remove the crank bolts and place a block of wood over the end of the spindle before knocking it out to protect the threads.
Brian
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Post by Jem on Mar 26, 2022 21:29:22 GMT
I am not sure if it's the recommended method, but I liberally sprayed PlusGas on there , then just tapped the bearings with a hammer/screwdriver until they seemed to be 'offset' a little, then just hit the spindle end on, quite hard. It eventually flew out with a ton of gunk, and all was fine. Bustaste used his homemade press tool to fit new. Good luck with it if you do it yourself! Let us know how it goes. I would add that you should remove the crank bolts and place a block of wood over the end of the spindle before knocking it out to protect the threads.
Brian
Oh yes, and the circlips.
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Post by mckfam on Mar 26, 2022 23:02:13 GMT
Hello Brian,
Great info. And thanks for the bearing info. You saved me a lot of $$$ I just called the place Omar told me to call. I am surprised that these bearings are still lurking around. Spindles sure aren't
As for the press that sounds great but I am guessing you will need some sort of tool to put on the press to press out the bearings and press in the new ones. Is there such a tool? I am thinking like a large socket or something to that nature. Please let me know what you are thinking if I were to get the press you showed at Harbor Freight.
Again thanks for your help.
Kelly
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Post by brianbutler on Mar 26, 2022 23:51:14 GMT
Hello Brian, Great info. And thanks for the bearing info. You saved me a lot of $$$ I just called the place Omar told me to call. I am surprised that these bearings are still lurking around. Spindles sure aren't As for the press that sounds great but I am guessing you will need some sort of tool to put on the press to press out the bearings and press in the new ones. Is there such a tool? I am thinking like a large socket or something to that nature. Please let me know what you are thinking if I were to get the press you showed at Harbor Freight. Again thanks for your help. Kelly The bearings are all standard sizes with many applications so they are still made and stocked in large quantities. As far as tools for pressing the bearings, you can use a stack of washers that fit over the spindle and are slightly smaller than the bottom bracket shell. Similar for the wheel bearings. I bought several "drifts" made for this purpose but they are basically just washers, as someone on this board pointed out. They are nice and I have used them several times so maybe the expense is justified.
The Harbor Freight press has just enough height to do the bottom bracket. Oldroadietehachapi (Jim) has a nice writeup with photos on doing exactly this task on a Viscount BB using that press. I looked for it but did not find it. Jim, if you see this post, can you direct us to your excellent article?
Brian
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Post by brianbutler on Mar 27, 2022 16:26:08 GMT
I would add that you should remove the crank bolts and place a block of wood over the end of the spindle before knocking it out to protect the threads.
Brian
Oh yes, and the circlips. YES! Absolutely right. Been there and [not] done that, with regrettable results.
Brian
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Post by oldroadietehachapi on Mar 27, 2022 16:57:57 GMT
Jim, if you see this post, can you direct us to your excellent article?
That is easy, a copy of the article is located in this thread (September 27, 2020).
Ride Safe
Jim
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Post by brianbutler on Mar 28, 2022 0:06:42 GMT
Jim, if you see this post, can you direct us to your excellent article?
That is easy, a copy of the article is located in this thread (September 27, 2020).
Ride Safe
Jim
Hahaha. I didn't think to look in this thread for some reason and none of my search terms turned it up anywhere else. I must have asked you where you got the press in a private message. Thanks.
Brian
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Post by mckfam on Oct 6, 2022 22:31:11 GMT
Hello All,
Update on my Broken Spindle debacle. I actually found one on Ebay. Paid probably more for it than I would have liked but it was original and I am getting soft in my older age. I also ordered new bearings and then took it to a recommended bike shop that has been in business for many many years here in Tempe. They said they could do it. I did not know how much it would cost to press out the broken spindle and old bearings and put in the new one with new bearings. Was bracing for the worst. I just did not want to try to do it. They took only a couple of days and when I went to pick it up they charged me only $25. I thought that was more than fair and was thrilled. So my old Viscount Areospace GP (Red) is now operational again even with the original death forks. I do not ride it much as it is more sentimental to me as I bought it as a missionary bike on Rock Road in the outskirts of St Louis in March of 1977.
Thanks to all for your help and information. Very helpful. One of these days I may replace the wheel bearings as the ones I have are original and I put over 7000 miles on the bike on my mission.
Take Care all
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Post by Jem on Oct 7, 2022 9:23:03 GMT
Glad to hear you had a good outcome, and I agree, $25 is a very reasonable price all things considered.
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Post by dracco on Oct 14, 2022 18:41:44 GMT
Glad to see this thread resurrected - it completely passed me by when it was opened! You have collectively solved a problem that I thought could only be overcome by the investment of large quantities of my hard-earned.
I'd been having problems with the incompatibility of the original Viscount BB spindle with my preferred crankset (a 50/36 Sugino GT double), since the Sugino is specified for a JIS taper. Following Busaste's advice in the CTC thread, you can "sort of" get it about right, but in my experience, not properly - the result being chainrings that don't rotate exactly straight, and instead wander a bit producing chainrub against the FD - which can partly be alleviated by judicious adjustment of the FD shifter (irritating) - and can also result in dropping the chain from the FD when moving from the small to the large ring (potentially threatening, and thinking back may well have been the cause of my crash last year). Consequently I've been trying to find a straight-line spindle with a JIS taper, with the only option online being the Phil Wood version (very expensive even before import duty would be applied).
I did ask my local bike shop (Spa Cycles in Harrogate) about whether I could use the press-fit YST bearing, but (after an initial inspection, rapidly followed by incomprehension from the mechanics - until they pulled out a more senior colleague from the workshop, who had previously worked at Bob Jackson cycles in Leeds and immediately knew what they were talking about) it was determined that there wasn't room for the YST assembly, due to the extent of the frame tubes poking into the interior of the BB. Since I lack the confidence to start grinding away at these, I was at something of a stand. Now it looks as though my problem is solved!
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Post by dracco on Dec 12, 2022 22:43:02 GMT
So an update on my 14th October (rather delayed by my spending all of November in Japan). Following the information in this thread I bought a Sunrace bottom bracket and dismantled it to extract the spindle. - This presented an initial problem that I solved by cutting through the BB shell with a hacksaw, enabling me to remove the two ends containing the sealed bearing units, by punching them off with a hammer and old screwdriver.
I then extracted the Viscount BB spindle from the BB shell, and drifted out the drive-side 6003RS bearing (hammer and screwrdiver again). This enabled me to press in one end of the Sunrace spindle through thge BB shell and the remaining non-drive-side 6003RS bearing and finally press on a new 6003RS bearing into the drive side of the BB shell (with a Heath Robinson arrangement of multiple large washers, steel pipe and a large G-clamp).
I've since remounted the cranks, now with a much better rotation, and tested it on the road. Problem solved, thanks to the collective wisdom of the contributors to this thread.
Thanks all!
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