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Post by franco on Jul 28, 2020 19:13:25 GMT
Been looking for some that will fit the Lambert levers (ones without safety levers) and it’s all a bit sketchy. The Dia Compe 202 supposedly fit most old style levers and I’ve seen some made by Cane Creek as well.
Anyone have any experience with either or know if they fit properly or not?
Thanks.
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Post by lighthousejim on Jul 28, 2020 20:02:42 GMT
Not sure how much help this is, as Mrs LHJ's Viscount has Shimano levers, but I've got a set of Crane Creek hoods on the Weinmanns on my Claud Butler and they're a good fit. The Weinmanns are deeper top-to-bottom than the Shimanos.
Good luck with finding something suitable,
Jim
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Post by franco on Jul 28, 2020 20:54:19 GMT
Thanks Jim.
I’m sure I’ve got some old Weinmann levers somewhere, might do a side by side comparison with the Lambert levers and take it from there.
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Post by brianbutler on Jul 29, 2020 1:07:17 GMT
I have used the Cane Creek hoods many times with good results. Sometimes you have trim the opening for the lever. Soak in hot (almost boiling) water before installing and use a lubricant like soapy water to make the job easier.
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Post by franco on Jul 29, 2020 6:24:43 GMT
Thanks Brian. I’ll probably give them a go, the dia compe ones state they are narrow so could be a bit too tight.
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Post by dracco on Jul 29, 2020 18:01:25 GMT
+1 for Cane Creek hoods. I wiped them with iso-propanol and they slid on easily.
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Post by franco on Jul 29, 2020 19:29:52 GMT
Thanks again.
I’ll try the different suggestions for fitting as well, I’ve used a heat gun in the past but you have to be careful how far you go with it. Probably better for removing old grips than anything else.
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Post by rodh on Jul 30, 2020 16:31:32 GMT
Can anyone verify the above fitting info?
I'm looking for hoods too, and as far as I understand it, the Weinmann (and Lambert!) design is licensed from Dia-Compe Japan, so the right DC hoods (DC165 perhaps?) should fit all of these levers equally well.
The DC202 & DC204 hoods are advertised as fitting Shimano EX and Campagnolo Nuovo Record - skinny bodied levers (9.5cm circumference?) so too small.
Cane Creek are aftermarket, and their B144 should fit Lambert/Weinmann and some DC (and however tightly CC intended), but have a horrid textured saddle on top, and a more plastic than traditional "gum" look to them.
Rustines' version, also aftermarket, seems to suit Mafac and Campagnolo so may not fit well, however, SJS sell these for Mafac and Weinmann (!) and Velo Duo , and Velo Orange used to sell these for Weinmann's. I reckon the diagonal opening these have will not be a good fit so make sure you can return them if you buy them and then find out there's a problem!
SJS used to sell unbadged pattern parts for the Weinmanns; possibly some final stock from the Taiwan factory. They fitted well but were a bit red-ish and I don't see these for sale any more. Please let me know if you find some.
Hope this helps ... any feedback appreciated.
Rod
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Post by cusqueno on Jul 30, 2020 16:57:46 GMT
Lamberts and very early Viscounts had white half hoods, which as far as I have been able to find aren't available new anywhere. They are so simple though they should be a prime candidate for making replicas. I couldn't find a good close up of them, but you can zoom in on this photo and get a good idea of them. They have to be held on with the bar tape.  DFR4_13 by John Cockaday, on Flickr |
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Post by dracco on Jul 30, 2020 17:10:05 GMT
I've just checked my brake hood fitting notes: I was really struggling to get the hoods on(yes, the Cane Creek ones with the textured saddle that I actually rather like). The suggestion to use iso-propanol (known in the US as "rubbing alcohol" apparently) was one that I picked up from one of the YouTube videos made by "RJ the Bike Guy". Actually I didn't have any iso-propanol at home, but i did have methylated spirit, which is what I actually used. It smelled disgusting but worked really well, allowing the hoods to slip over the levers easily.
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Post by Jem on Jul 30, 2020 17:24:10 GMT
I've just checked my brake hood fitting notes: I was really struggling to get the hoods on(yes, the Cane Creek ones with the textured saddle that I actually rather like). The suggestion to use iso-propanol (known in the US as "rubbing alcohol" apparently) was one that I picked up from one of the YouTube videos made by "RJ the Bike Guy". Actually I didn't have any iso-propanol at home, but i did have methylated spirit, which is what I actually used. It smelled disgusting but worked really well, allowing the hoods to slip over the levers easily. If you have any grip-solvent used for putting new grips on golf clubs, that would probably work really well? Disclaimer ...Ive never used it on hoods, but I have re-gripped my golf clubs and it is amazing stuff. I don't know the exact composition of it, but before I used it, I couldn't imagine how on earth a dry golf grip that with great effort wouldn't even go 1mm on the club shaft could slide down and then stay firm. It did though, and I love it! Blackmagic! |
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Post by franco on Jul 30, 2020 18:52:54 GMT
Can anyone verify the above fitting info? I'm looking for hoods too, and as far as I understand it, the Weinmann (and Lambert!) design is licensed from Dia-Compe Japan, so the right DC hoods (DC165 perhaps?) should fit all of these levers equally well. The DC202 & DC204 hoods are advertised as fitting Shimano EX and Campagnolo Nuovo Record - skinny bodied levers (9.5cm circumference?) so too small. Cane Creek are aftermarket, and their B144 should fit Lambert/Weinmann and some DC (and however tightly CC intended), but have a horrid textured saddle on top, and a more plastic than traditional "gum" look to them. Rustines' version, also aftermarket, seems to suit Mafac and Campagnolo so may not fit well, however, SJS sell these for Mafac and Weinmann (!) and Velo Duo , and Velo Orange used to sell these for Weinmann's. I reckon the diagonal opening these have will not be a good fit so make sure you can return them if you buy them and then find out there's a problem! SJS used to sell unbadged pattern parts for the Weinmanns; possibly some final stock from the Taiwan factory. They fitted well but were a bit red-ish and I don't see these for sale any more. Please let me know if you find some. Hope this helps ... any feedback appreciated. Rod The DC 202 were the ones I was looking at Rod and it mentions on a few listings they are narrow, can’t recall seeing another version available (in the UK). Ive ordered the Cane Creek version that state will fit Weinmann, so hoping they’ll be okay. Forgot to look on SJS, Velo Orange as well, although I think that place is a bit pricey. |
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Post by cusqueno on Jul 30, 2020 19:41:48 GMT
The classic hack for fitting handle bar grips was to use hair spray - helps the handle slip on easily and then sticks like the proverbial when the solvent evaporates. Washing up liquid has a similar effect - goes sticky when the water in it evaporates. I have tried both with reasonable success, but not on hoods where I normally use the softening in hot water approach.
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Post by brianbutler on Jul 30, 2020 20:56:31 GMT
Here is an original Dia Compe hood on a 1982 Nishiki Olympic 12 I picked up a couple of years ago. Perhaps the owner should not have stored the bike in a meth lab.
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Post by franco on Jul 31, 2020 6:41:13 GMT
Crikey. Plenty of dna samples on that.
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