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Post by chickenwing on Apr 14, 2014 7:03:03 GMT
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Post by Stella on Apr 14, 2014 10:15:01 GMT
Hello, and welcome to the board.
You've stumbled over your Viscount exactly the same way as I have: not even knowing what gem you've fallen for. :-)
From what I can tell, your Viscount is the same as my blue Sport, and fairly original. The only things I would think are not original are the down-tube shifters, perhaps the pedals, but not 100% sure, and the saddle--the company doing Viscount saddles have nothing to do with Lambert/Viscount/Trusty. Shifters should be Shimano. Yours even has the (much coveted by me) quick-release brake levers. I've got them on both of my Sports and love them to bits. I think the paint is in good nick, but you want to do a full restoration, then you might as well bite the bullet and get it done. If I remember correctly, there are Aerospace Sport stickers available. No idea where you can get a replacement for the (stem bolt?) I'm afraid. It's imperial-sized on mine, so I assume yours is too.
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Post by cusqueno on Apr 14, 2014 10:45:28 GMT
Stella is right. The original Viscount stems had an odd Imperial-size Allen key bolt. Assuming you don't have the right size, you can try filing down a slightly larger Allen key (possible but tedious). If the hole in the bolt is chewed up, you could try replacing the bolt and wedge with a metric one (I haven't tried this, but it seems it could work and the bolts and wedges are cheap. Check the length though.)
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Post by Stella on Apr 14, 2014 11:06:05 GMT
I have an imperial-sized Allen key set. If I'm not mistaken it's the 7/32. Agree with John, just swap it for a metric one. Shouldn't be a problem, but haven't done it either.
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Post by cusqueno on Apr 14, 2014 12:04:32 GMT
I have an imperial-sized Allen key set. If I'm not mistaken it's the 7/32. Agree with John, just swap it for a metric one. Shouldn't be a problem, but haven't done it either. I think what that you need is one like this, (wedge cut across the stem tube) but it is some time since I had a Viscount stem out of its bike and it's possible you need one like this (wedge expands the tube from inside) but I hope not as this is a Cinelli part and therefore expensive. I expect someone (Stella?) knows which type fits the Viscount Stem. The first sort are cheap and common, in fact I have one to hand from an SR stem recently sawn up as it had stuck inside the steerer of my Viscount. You could have that for the cost of postage, but we'd need to make sure the length was right as well.
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Post by Stella on Apr 14, 2014 12:33:09 GMT
It's been a while since I had my stems out, but I'm pretty sure that it's the first example with the diagonal wedge. The Indy has the other one.
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Post by cusqueno on Apr 14, 2014 13:15:16 GMT
Here's an idea about how to use a couple of smaller hex / Allen keys to substitute for a larger one that you don't have: Instructables
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Post by chickenwing on Apr 14, 2014 15:42:12 GMT
thank you both for the replies! the allen is just a tad over 5 1/4 inches. the problem hasn't been finding a replacement thats the same length ive found a good bit its just the actually head piece of it. I cant find any that are the same size most have been slightly later then the hole it has to go into. or there just a big ass flat piece that wont fit into it. I cleaned up the head and It doesn't look horrible and I may just try to put it on the way it is I believe it wasn't as stripped as I originally thought. And Ive decided to bite the bullet like you said and get it fully restored. I have a very good buddy who works on classic cars and told me he would hook me up so I figured if he works on $50,000+ cars I can trust him with my viscount lol. Does any one have any brochures or charts that compare the colors and what not that the different viscounts used to come in? If not we should all band together and try to complete one. make this THE place for viscount/Lambert info.
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Post by chickenwing on Apr 14, 2014 15:44:30 GMT
also do either of you two know what size the sealed bearings are and a site to get them. when i was rebuilding it originally no auto shops in town had any and i had to order it off a used industrial machine ebay type site. I'd really like to get some new ones to throw in there. also should I get the forks and all that jazz that wont be painted all chromed out or would that throw off the look?
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Post by chickenwing on Apr 14, 2014 15:58:33 GMT
also any picture guides or videos on how to swap out stems on older bikes like these. I feel like an idiot for having to ask but I really don't want to screw shit up
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Post by Stella on Apr 14, 2014 18:48:42 GMT
Hey, the BB bearings, if I remember correctly are 6003 RS. If you put that into eBay, you'll get the right sizes. Busaste swear by FAG, I have used no-name cheap ones, but haven't ridden the bike for miles and miles.
I don't have a picture guide, but swapping stems is pretty straight forward. If it's not seized, that is.
First try this:
Loosen bolt Wiggle stem side to side so see if it's moving. If so: wiggle a bit more while lifting it up. Once it's freed, clean up stem, clean up inside of fork, grease inside of fork and insert cleaned stem. ;-)
If it's not moving straight away when the bolt is about 1cm out, take a wooden block, place it on the bolt and smack it hard with a hammer, that should free it up. If not, repeat a few times. If that doesn't do the job, the only answer is rust dissolver (Plus Gas or similar) and a vice. Fingers crossed it won't come this far, although it's not the end of the world. Done carefully, you'll get the stem out and everything will be fine.
As for the fork: I have a few forks and bits I need to get done and dreading it. Mostly because I think it's rather expensive. :-(
And something else: Never EVER feel like an idiot. I think it's rather lovely that you appreciate your Viscount so much and I'm sure I'm speaking for all of us: we love to help each other, newcomers included.
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Post by cusqueno on Apr 14, 2014 19:57:02 GMT
I have a blog about Viscount bikes (as does Stella), although I haven't posted anything for a long time. I wrote a bit about replacing bb bearings here: viscount-lambert-bikes.blogspot.co.uk/2011/02/replacing-viscount-bottom-bracket.html?m=1It shows what can be done without workshop facilities, but my brute force approach shouldn't be followed if the right tools are available. Yes. 6003-2RS bearings are what you need - the 2RS meaning that it has rubber seals on both sides. Widely available. Shouldn't be necessary to pay more than £5 / €6 / $8 each.
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Post by chickenwing on Apr 14, 2014 20:10:12 GMT
Thats your blog!? I've been following it for a few years now! thanks again for all the info guys, Time to go work on my bike a little I feel inspired lol.
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Post by Stella on Apr 14, 2014 20:45:22 GMT
Yes, 2RS. Thank you, John. Forgot to add that little digit. ;-)
Note to self: must be more precise or it'll end in tears.
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Post by Stella on Apr 14, 2014 20:47:30 GMT
Thats your blog!? I've been following it for a few years now! thanks again for all the info guys, Time to go work on my bike a little I feel inspired lol. It's a great blog, isn't it? I also read it before I joined the CTC; not that it helped as most of it went way over my head. (I was a complete newbie to bikes and the bike jargon. BB? What the hell is a BB? And what the heck is a hub? Hard work. lol) Glad you're feeling inspired.
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Post by Stella on Apr 15, 2014 14:21:40 GMT
Just a quick update re the stem: It's not the diagonal wedge, but the straight one. I went to work on mine (on the blue Sport) and discovered the reason as to why it was wobbly: it had broken and was only held together by the wedge screwed into the bolt. Oh dear. I've also discovered that I, somehow, had to say goodbye to the idea of having the V-bolt in the SR stem. The original stems where the V-bolt fits have a slot inside to accommodate a tiny, err, what do you call it? Well, it looks like this: And even if I filed that bolt down, it's still too big for the hole in the stem. Attachments:
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Post by cusqueno on Apr 15, 2014 15:34:05 GMT
Here is an expander bolt from SJS that should fit the Viscount stem - and an amazing price! - but the bad news is that it has a hex head rather than a socket head. However, it should be possible to buy this and then one of the other wedge shape but with a socket (Allen key) head. Like this (unfortunately black). I would expect them to have the same thread.
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Post by Stella on Apr 15, 2014 19:59:12 GMT
My bad. I meant the stem had broken, the bolt is in good nick.
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