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Post by franco on Apr 22, 2020 19:27:06 GMT
Ordered some today. I managed to get the handlebar stem out of the Triumph, so the project is up and running again. Thanks again for pointing out it is available in the UK, Brian.
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Post by franco on Apr 24, 2020 16:12:28 GMT
Got the Triumph apart today, about to t-cut the frame. Should come up reasonable for what it is.
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Post by brianbutler on Apr 25, 2020 14:29:44 GMT
This morning I cleaned it up with 2000 grit wet sandpaper, rubbing compound, polishing compound, and wax. It originally had low quality 10-speed components so I am thinking instead of a clunker 10-speed I might build it into screaming yellow zonker 3-speed. I believe I have enough parts in my bins to do the whole job. Oddly, the rear dropouts and front fork over-locknut spacing was even narrower than the 1960 Raleigh 26" wheels that I plan to use. I was able to spread them fairly easily. It is mild steel for sure.
For something different I might use drop handlebars and brake levers along with the SA three-speed shifter. I think I would prefer that riding position and it might be pretty funky but I'll have to see if the ergonomics are feasible. If anyone has any other interesting ideas for this conversion, please let me know.
Brian
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Post by wheelson on Apr 25, 2020 15:10:31 GMT
Everything Brian says is correct, Evapo-rust is an excellent product. Interesting (to me, anyhow) side note is that cadmium plated components left in Evapo-rust will turn black! I found this out with a seat post bolt from a Schwinn Paramount. Interesting if you want that effect. Best, John "wheelson"
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Post by franco on Apr 25, 2020 16:34:36 GMT
This morning I cleaned it up with 2000 grit wet sandpaper, rubbing compound, polishing compound, and wax. It originally had low quality 10-speed components so I am thinking instead of a clunker 10-speed I might build it into screaming yellow zonker 3-speed. I believe I have enough parts in my bins to do the whole job. Oddly, the rear dropouts and front fork over-locknut spacing was even narrower than the 1960 Raleigh 26" wheels that I plan to use. I was able to spread them fairly easily. It is mild steel for sure.
For something different I might use drop handlebars and brake levers along with the SA three-speed shifter. I think I would prefer that riding position and it might be pretty funky but I'll have to see if the ergonomics are feasible. If anyone has any other interesting ideas for this conversion, please let me know.
Brian That Phillips is quite nice, I’m sure they were made at the Raleigh factory as well. Great idea and something I considered myself, the dropouts on my Colorado are the same as my 3 speeds, 110mm I think. Do you think long reach calipers would reach the rim on 26” wheels or are you building a 27” rear with a SA hub?
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Post by brianbutler on Apr 26, 2020 1:14:31 GMT
I haven't done any measurements on the brakes yet but I think the 10-speed may have had 26" wheels originally. It came to me without wheels but with everything else.
I have had another flash of brilliance. The rear derailleur is a Huret Allvit with a broken parallelogram spring. I'm thinking of using the cottered crank with two chain rings, along with the front derailleur and its shifter. On the back, I'll use the Allvit but set the limit screws to fix the pulleys in line with the cog on the SA three-speed hub. It will not move laterally but will maintain chain tension when I switch the front derailleur, making a rather crazy six-speed setup.
Brian
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Post by brianbutler on Apr 26, 2020 2:06:02 GMT
I just checked the reach of the Phiillps brakes and they will reach a 26" rim but just barely, so obviously this bike had 27" wheels to begin with. I would probably be better off keeping it original and saving my 26" wheels and SA hub for a real three-speed renovation. However, I don't want to buy new wheels for the Phillips because it just isn't a compelling bike. All the other components are refurbished so I'll probably assemble it and hang it on the wall waiting for a suitable wheel donor bike to come along.
Brian
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Post by franco on Apr 26, 2020 8:16:35 GMT
That’s good news on the calipers. Two chainrings would give you some crazy gear ratios. I’ve read that some people double the sprocket on the Sturmey Archer, apparently on some there’s enough room to do this. So, you’d have 12 gears if you did that as well!
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Post by brianbutler on Apr 26, 2020 12:41:26 GMT
Everything Brian says is correct, Evapo-rust is an excellent product. Interesting (to me, anyhow) side note is that cadmium plated components left in Evapo-rust will turn black! I found this out with a seat post bolt from a Schwinn Paramount. Interesting if you want that effect. Best, John "wheelson" Aha. It's cadmium plated parts that turn black. I have had this happen a few times and always with small fasteners. I'm not too familiar with cadmium plating and its applications or how to identify it. I have had a couple of disasters with aluminum parts. If you try to de-grease aluminum with most of the "citrus de-greasers" at too high a concentration or heat, the high pH will turn them black and you will never get it off except by sanding. If you use anything containing phosphoric acid (like CLR in the US) and possibly other low pH products, it will oxidize the aluminum, basically creating a coating of corundum that you also will also never remove except with abrasives. I usually refurbish aluminum parts like brake components by tumbling them in a vibratory tumbler with non-abrasive ceramic media, water, and a surfactant like a few drops of dish soap. This seems to knock off or chip the oxidation to the point where the parts are easily polished with mag/aluminum wheel polish. I'm interested to hear if anyone uses a polishing wheel and what process you use. Maybe we should start a thread about restoration best practices. Pardon me if there is one already. I admit I did not look before writing this. Brian
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Post by franco on Apr 27, 2020 20:34:57 GMT
Evapo-Rust arrived this morning, some of the Triumph parts are in there. I’ll check tomorrow after 24 hours.
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Post by franco on May 5, 2020 20:41:31 GMT
Finally putting the Triumph back together. I’m using parts from stock I already had but had to order a few bits, like 5mm pinch bolt for the rear caliper, a woods valve inner tube and some old school brake levers. The crankset came up quite clean with the evapo-rust but it’s still evidently seen better days. It won’t be prettiest bike due to some pitting on the frame and chain guard, but be good to get her back on the road even if I sell her on.
I enjoy working on the old 3 speeds, they’re built like tanks and made to last.
Got my eye on another Hercules that is extremely clean for its age...
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Post by sprockit on May 7, 2020 21:19:13 GMT
I have a 1964 BSA that I use as a hack, a 1979 Viscount Metro 3 which needs the forks re-aligning, and a collection of 3 Raleigh Twenty machines - one a Triumph 3-speed from 1979 and two identical Hercules Hunters, one 3-speed the other single speed, both from 1975.
Can't beat the old English 3-speeds!
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Post by franco on May 12, 2020 11:47:56 GMT
I picked up a 1959 Raleigh Trent Tourist for little money. The key thing is the frame, forks and chainguard are worth the effort. The wheels and most the components don’t look like they can be saved but nothing out of the ordinary that can’t be replaced. The rear Sturmey Archer hub is clean though, so I’ll hang on to that in case I decide to get a wheel built with it in the future.
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Post by wheelson on May 12, 2020 13:26:30 GMT
That red absolutely pops. You're quite fortunate to be able to find these bikes as I rarely see more than a couple of "English Racers" here in my Western Pennsylvania USA part time bike shop gig. There is a rather beat Hercules lurking in the back room of the bike shop in dire need of a home, perhaps?! Like I need another project, with two unfinished Viscounts patiently waiting.
Best, John "wheelson" Wilson
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Post by franco on May 12, 2020 15:48:37 GMT
I just sold a Hercules, it was one of the Nottingham produced ones, not the earlier Birmingham models with ‘H’ crank. Still a nice bike though and I’d be tempted!
Spent a few hours on the Trent cleaning the frame, took the crank off, they aren’t actually decals on the frame, it’s been hand painted in house. Reminds me of Fairground signwriting. No wonder I couldn’t find any online. That makes me even more want to touch the frame up but it’s going to be long winded. Someone said I should get it powder coated but I don’t want to lose the logos.
Thoughts?
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Post by franco on May 30, 2020 23:09:03 GMT
A few pics of the current 3 Speeds... The Elswick Hopper The Raleigh Courier The frame on the Courier is bordering on too large for me, but manageable.
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Post by brianbutler on May 31, 2020 1:16:12 GMT
I rarely see large frame 3-speeds in the US because there was a very limited adult market for bikes of any kind between the advent of cars and the bike boom - in other words the sweet spot in time for cool three-speeds.
I have a large (23") Puch three speed with 27" wheels, SA hub, and all the trimmings (lights, built-in lock, rack, pump, etc.) It really just needs cleaning but for some reason I never get to it. I think it is a 1979.
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Post by franco on Jun 18, 2020 16:48:53 GMT
A rainy day ride and a different saddle on the Courier. It’s comfy for a cheaper sprung saddle, how long it lasts is another matter, some dye? has already started to come out of it in today’s rain.
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Post by franco on Jun 20, 2020 19:23:15 GMT
Spent most of today cleaning up the Trusty/Viscount folder 3 Speed I got from Jem yesterday. Really pleased with how well it’s cleaned up. Struggled to get into the chain case but didn’t want to dismantle it at this point, still some pitting on the bars and wheels but for 1975 I think it’s looking well. Had a ride around the block on it and it’s ace! Almost like riding a toy bike but not, if that makes sense.
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Post by Jem on Jun 21, 2020 7:54:58 GMT
It's looking 10 times better than when it left here yesterday! Did the 3 speed perform OK? I have a vague memory of it sticking or something?
Really glad the tyres held up and actually look pretty good.
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Post by franco on Jun 21, 2020 9:07:37 GMT
Yes Jem, the indicator chain on the hub just needed a minor adjustment, I put some light oil in the hub as well. Really pleased with it and I’ll definitely be keeping it, so thanks again! Actually, you’ve set me off looking at other vintage folders on eBay now, like I need more bikes
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Post by Jem on Jun 21, 2020 11:44:28 GMT
Ah, it's a terrible addiction isn't it? Just grips you and compels you to check not only ebay but Gumtree, Shpock and Preloved. I wonder why CraigsList never really took off here in the UK? Part of the reason that I reluctantly got Facebook was to check the MarketPlace
I think Velocipete on here has a Brompton, and although not a folder Sprocket has a Raleigh 20 (which I rode as a teenager and is a great bike).
Viscount made a slightly different model than that Delta and a bit later, with round tube. The model name is on the page on here where there is a list of models and details. I don't think it's as good looking as your Delta Blues model though.
That folding mechanism on the Delta is quite unusual and very much Viscount. I don't know if they patented it, it might say on there?
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Post by franco on Jun 21, 2020 12:38:14 GMT
Ah, it's a terrible addiction isn't it? Just grips you and compels you to check not only ebay but Gumtree, Shpock and Preloved. I wonder why CraigsList never really took off here in the UK? Part of the reason that I reluctantly got Facebook was to check the MarketPlace I think Velocipete on here has a Brompton, and although not a folder Sprocket has a Raleigh 20 (which I rode as a teenager and is a great bike). Viscount made a slightly different model than that Delta and a bit later, with round tube. The model name is on the page on here where there is a list of models and details. I don't think it's as good looking as your Delta Blues model though. That folding mechanism on the Delta is quite unusual and very much Viscount. I don't know if they patented it, it might say on there? It does say patent on the white cap. I don’t recall ever riding one so I’m impressed how well it handles. I’ve seen a Raleigh Stowaway locally, currently at £9.99. If it stays around that price it will be difficult to resist bidding on it. At least they fold up though, so I can fit two in the space where one bike would go haha.
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Post by franco on Jul 13, 2020 20:40:49 GMT
A ‘sympathetic’ refinish on the 1959 Trent Tourist. I wanted to preserve the decals which meant trying to colour match, it’s turned out as good as I could have hoped for, lacquer applied today. Excuse the state of my garden, that’s another project....
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Post by franco on Jul 14, 2020 19:17:42 GMT
I picked up a donor bike for the other projects today, a Vindec. I’d never heard of them but apparently they were a small London based bicycle company that disappeared in the early 1980’s after around a hundred years of production. It’s quite a nice bike in its own right but I bought it for parts I need that would have cost me more buying separately. The guy selling it had a drawer full of dynamo lights and accessories in his workshop so I picked a few other bits up too. Like a kid in a sweet shop.
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Post by franco on Aug 7, 2020 10:37:54 GMT
Finally got the 1959 Raleigh Trent Tourist back together. It was in a sorry state when I got it and had to try and match the red with a part respray to save the original decals. It’s turned out a rat bike but given its age I think it is within keeping, the only thing I’m not happy with is how white the chain guard is compared to the other white parts on the bike that are more aged. The original parts are the frame, forks, crankset, pump and seat tube. The rest was taken off a Vindec ladies bike, the only new parts are the chain and 24T sprocket. Not the greatest picture but you get the idea...
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Post by franco on Aug 18, 2020 19:58:30 GMT
I’ve got a 1981 Hercules Commuter frame/forks etc in good condition but the wheels were shot. 26” 1 3/8 wheels are a pain finding a decent used pair and not easy to find new either. Looking at other options, I saw a guy on YouTube use 27” wheels and go single speed. The project looked good and I could go that route without much cost due to parts I have, but not sure my knees would cope with singlespeed. My BMX days are long gone Anyone here occasionally ride a singlespeed and if so which size freewheel do you use?
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Post by franco on Aug 29, 2020 10:50:47 GMT
New Tyres Day and a few changes
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Post by brianbutler on Aug 29, 2020 11:50:55 GMT
Franco, that's a handsome machine, indeed. We should set up an international trading company where you ship me large frame 3-speeds and I ship you Nishikis, Fujis, and Miyatas. Very few American bikes worth shipping I'm afraid. I'm ready to place my order for a full container of English 3-speeds, assorted brands and colors, 23" frames or thereabouts.
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Post by brianbutler on Aug 29, 2020 12:05:24 GMT
Here is the reason I would like a nice three-speed:
The event takes place in Minnesota and Wisconsin, USA. It was cancelled this year due to COVID-19 but sometime I would like to do it. It is an 85 mile, two day tour. With a decent bike, I would consider riding from my home to the event, about 1400 miles across the northeast US and a little bit of Canada, probably a three week trip. I am trying to get in some of these crazy rides while I can, or at least try while I think I can.
Brian
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