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Post by utedeej on Sept 30, 2013 23:29:58 GMT
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Post by whippet on Oct 13, 2013 20:23:35 GMT
Love the man cave :-)
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Post by utedeej on Oct 14, 2013 0:07:05 GMT
Thanks, but it's messiness is really getting in the way of finishing off some bike restos.
Just got back from a week in the sun, so will get on to cleaning it up this week...... Unless the boss has some other jobs for me.
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Post by utedeej on Oct 16, 2013 22:00:30 GMT
Still haven't started on the resto, but happy to report that i've just bought a pair of black high flange dura ace hubs. They're not in the best condition, but i'm sure that i'll be able to clean them up well. Though, is anyone sure that they were dura ace hubs originally, as looking at the advert, it just calls them sealed hubs, which sounds like the Viscount own brand hubs. The pic is a little small to blow up and see as well.
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Post by bendo on Oct 17, 2013 6:12:48 GMT
1st gen DA hubs weren't sealed, but were cup-and-cone, loose bearing-type hubs. They have a grease port in the middle of the axle area, with a cover clip, and 'Shimano" etched into the metal nearby. The only place they say Dura Ace is on the dust cover over the bearings.
Interested to see close-ups of what you've found.
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Post by utedeej on Oct 17, 2013 7:12:38 GMT
Sorry Bendo, I probably was a little confusing. The Supabike advert that you have on your blog and here on this forum, shows black hubs on the bike. I had assumed that they were DA, as with all the other black parts, but after reviewing the ad, it looks like they might not be and could be black versions of the Viscount ones, as their own brand ones were sealed bearing were they not?
Anyway, would be interested in others thoughts whether the hubs in the DA Supabike advert look similar to viscount sealed bearing hubs. I could be just catching up on a discussion that has already occured. I don't have any new pictures.
I definitely have the DA high flange hubs coming.
My goal is to have the bike fixed up and to take it to the Classic Bicycle show in Sydney on 22 March next year.
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Post by bendo on Oct 17, 2013 7:44:50 GMT
Ah, I see! You're right you know, and I never noticed that on the spec sheet. The Supabike had black, sealed-bearing hubs. Here's a pic of a Viscount sealed bearing hub.  And DA first gen hubs  So there's quite a difference in the shape of the cutouts. The DA hubs have closer to the "Sherrif's Star" effect of that classic C-Record hub style. The Viscount is more of a sausage shape. So the hub on the spec sheet is definitely a black, Viscount hub. Did you say yours are stamped "Viscount"? Because by the look of the black coming off them, and the shape of the cutouts, they are the original hubs. b |
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Post by utedeej on Oct 17, 2013 10:48:19 GMT
Nah, my original hubs are high flange shimano type. They are just really dirty and the shadows make them have tinge of black in my pics. I feel like Indiana Jones in the Temple of Lost Hubs with that spot  Does that mean you'll change the DA ones on yours for some Viscount:) |
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Post by bendo on Oct 17, 2013 12:29:45 GMT
Well in that case there's no shame in having black DA hubs on the Supabike!
And no, I won't be changing the hubs on the Supasport back to Viscounts because the DA hubs I got have a different OLD. I had to get the frame cold set narrower! From 126 to 120mm to fit the DAs. b
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Post by utedeej on Oct 17, 2013 22:04:54 GMT
Well in that case there's no shame in having black DA hubs on the Supabike! And no, I won't be changing the hubs on the Supasport back to Viscounts because the DA hubs I got have a different OLD. I had to get the frame cold set narrower! From 126 to 120mm to fit the DAs. b That's a handy tip to check when i build the wheels up, thanks for that. There is a good chance that i would have forgotten to check the dropout widths, which could have been a big oops. |
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Post by Jem on Oct 18, 2013 20:53:15 GMT
I'd be interested to know what the other bikes hanging up are...
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Post by utedeej on Oct 19, 2013 11:00:30 GMT
I'd be interested to know what the other bikes hanging up are.. HI Sooper The pink one is a Bottecchia Columbus Cromor frame that I completely restored, painted, rechromed forks, etc. It runs current 10 spd Campag Veloce. The blue one is a custom aussie builder, 531 John Abeni track frame, restored as well. The red one is a custom aussie builder, 531 Jim Bundy road frame with 600 tricolour. There is a light blue one by a custom aussie builder, Hillman. 531 frame with 70s campag record. Yellow one is a japanese touring canti braked frame. Mtb is a 80s cannondale with full 8spd xt. Will move bits on to a Diamond Back Axis frame soon. There is also an original giant cadex road bike with carbon tubes and alloy lugs. Also have other aussie custom Universe Cycles frame from early 70s, and just got an 1989 Gazelle Mondial AB in 531, and an aussie custom unknown builder though in 531 i believe that i am thinking of turning into a 650b tourer. Plus a few others that arent that interesting. Thanks for the interest |
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Post by bendo on Oct 22, 2013 13:07:08 GMT
 Nice list utedeej, with some great Aussie names there (I always thought Kenevans bikes should have the motto, "Kenevans? Kenoath!") I had a Cadex MTB on loan from a friend for about a year. Went through numerous iterations. Even did the 650b thing on it! (above) But I always hated the crappy graphics, hence the courier-style duct-tape treatment. But one guy I saw on the net did an absolutely amazing job of stripping the paint off both the carbon and the alloy lugs, then clear-coated it. Of course like most people in the world he actually had not aesthetic sense whatsoever, so he proceeded to ruin the job with badly chosen parts, but the frame itself looked so good. I never, ever say that about carbon, but something about how this guy was doing stuff in reverse really appealed to me.  Sorry, I've taken the thread waaaaaay off-topic there! b |
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Post by utedeej on Oct 22, 2013 19:42:29 GMT
There is something about the Cadex bikes I think. Not sure what it is but I quite like them. This one is v small 52? But its in such good nic that I'm saving it for my daughters in case they ever want to ride. Pretty sure I know the bike/avatar that you are talking about too...Where did you get yor 650bs from. I'm looking to buy or build a set.
Thanks for the comment about the bikes. I'd like to get a few more custom aussies and a Ken Evans is one of them. Like the slogan too.
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Post by utedeej on Oct 22, 2013 20:48:08 GMT
Aaah, have only just seen the duct tape, it just looks grey painted on my tablet. Hope your mate didn't mind!!!!
You did a nice job on polishing the frame up too, guess your mate was happy in the end. At first I thought it was a pic of the other guys work, but then I noticed the cable stop.
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Post by bendo on Oct 23, 2013 8:37:44 GMT
It is the other chap's work, just the exact same (MTB) frame hence same cable stops.
For the 650b wheels I went with the Aussie choice: Synergy. They've been great. The off-centre rear wheel is such a clever design to minimise the need for dish (especially if you're running a narrow spacing like I am). The wells are a little deep for the tyres to seat properly, but a clever workaround is to use a double-layer of rim tape. Problem solved.
Pacenti have just released a lovely-looking 650b rim, with a totally flat profile, but word from one my most trusted lbs' is that even on the wheelbuilding stand the rims start to deform under tension. So stay away from them!
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Post by utedeej on Oct 23, 2013 10:29:17 GMT
Good news, black high flange DA hubs arrived today. They're a bit tatty in that the anodising has faded some, but will clean them up and build some new wheels soon.
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Post by bendo on Oct 24, 2013 11:51:45 GMT
What rims are you going to use? Whatever you choose they'll have to be ISO630, otherwise those DA sidepulls won't reach.
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Post by utedeej on Oct 27, 2013 21:35:17 GMT
The Mavic red labels that came with the bike are in ok condition, so will use them. Will split off the hubs and polish up and see. They are 27x1 i think.
I don't want to buy anything new, as it would look a bit funny i think.
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Post by utedeej on May 5, 2015 3:34:47 GMT
Well, I've finally finished the Viscount Superbike, and this is pretty much a copy of a post that I put on the Bicycle Network Australia forum - Retro Biking topic and also CTC. I got this bike a couple of years ago off a bike mad mate down here in Canberra, but don't have any history. It is known as the Viscount Race Bike I believe and colloquially as the Viscount Superbike - mid 70s era. The strip down was a real labour of love, because I had to use paint stripper to remove the clear coat which had yellowed over time and now had some rust spots coming up under it. I was extra careful so as to not put the paint stripper on the decals, so they are still original and in pretty good condition. There are still some spots where you can see the clear coat, but I quite like that. I also replaced the sealed bearings which wasn't all that difficult surprisingly. I've attached a photo of the bottom bracket spindle also, which I was surprised to find was a Shimano. Have just finished the build so no ride yet, but will get one in on the weekend. Anyway to the all important components and photos. Frame size - 61cm c-c seat tube, 57cm c-c top tube and 18.5cm head tube. Frame weight - 2006 grams Fork weight - 910 grams Handlebars - Milremo Renforce Stem - Milremo Seatpost - Milremo Saddle - Milremo Shifters - Shimano Dura Ace black first generation Front derailleur - Shimano Dura Ace black first generation Rear derailleur - Shimano Crane (Dura Ace) black first generation Brake calipers - Shimano Dura Ace black first generation Brake levers - Shimano Dura Ace black first generation Chainset - 170mm Shimano Dura Ace black first generation Pedals - MKS Bottom bracket - Shimano spindle, replaced with 6003-2RS bearings Hubs - 36 hole Shimano Dura Ace black first generation Rims - 36 hole Velocity Twin Hollow Tyres - Vittoria Zaffiro 27 x 1 1/8          |
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Post by siegeworks on May 5, 2015 8:38:25 GMT
I hope I come across one of these some day. Lovely Job on the restoration!
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Post by utedeej on May 10, 2015 10:51:11 GMT
Took it for a 30 second spin around the driveway. Far to cold and blowing a gale for anything else. Still fun though.
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Post by Stella on May 10, 2015 20:45:52 GMT
Stunning!
Interesting re the BB. Love the Durace 1st generation group set and hubs, perfect for that bike.
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Post by goldie on May 11, 2015 21:30:35 GMT
Such a beautiful bike. I genuinely count myself lucky to have seen the supabike go from creature of myth and legend to perfectly restored reality.
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Post by utedeej on May 12, 2015 2:27:19 GMT
Such a beautiful bike. I genuinely count myself lucky to have seen the supabike go from creature of myth and legend to perfectly restored reality. Thanks Goldie, it is a nice looking thing. |
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Post by bendo on May 12, 2015 8:34:39 GMT
Oi mate? Is that Ti?
Nah, it's 40 year old chromoly.
Wot?!
Only one of it's kind. Ahead of its time.
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Post by cusqueno on May 15, 2015 8:11:47 GMT
Hi. Really nice job on the Supabike. An inspiration in fact. I have most of a first gen Dura Ace group set, which is currently on a Viscount Aerospace 400 frame from 1980/81. I have a fillet brazed Viscount frame that just needs re-painting and then I will transfer the bits over. I'm using Viscount hubs with tubular / sprint / sew-up Fiamme rims, which I will also use on the new build. The stem and bars are Cinelli (black 1R stem, Campione del Mundo bars), which are probably the right date for the frame but not for the DA gruppo. But they'll also be on the new bike. I have a nice early black steel DA headset that didn't fit the 400 frame, I'm hoping it will be right for the other frame. I'm intrigued by the finish on the Supabike. Is it chrome or what? I'm not sure what colour to finish the fillet brazed frame (currently yellow with rust accents). I guess all-over silver is the obvious choice, but that is a bit boring. I think elsewhere on the forum Stella did discuss he possibility of clear laquer over bare steel, which sounds attractive but proved to be too difficult (if I remember correctly). Death forks of course. I've posted this picture here before, but here it is again (more on my Flickr pages):  ![]() |
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Post by utedeej on May 16, 2015 9:11:08 GMT
The frame is satin chrome according to the advert. I can confirm that it is chrome and is a brushed kind of finish. I have seen frames blasted to remove all the paint, then clear powdercoated. If you google around a bit, some of them look really nice, as you can see the brazing and the workmanship. I haven't seen the brazing on a viscount that is under the paint, but it looks to be a good job from the outside.
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Post by bendo on May 22, 2015 12:17:12 GMT
Just noticing that the Supabike does in fact have a black Viscount headset, not a first gen DA one. This was the sticking point for me when building the Supa Sport, that I could only run sidepull DA calipers if I also fitted a death fork, but you can't fit the death fork with a DA headset. The headset is just too fat for the amount of steerer the death fork gives you. So I'm going to knock the Viscount headset out of my Pro and pop it into the Supa Sport.
Then I can finally de-NOSify the pair of DA sidepulls that have been sitting in my parts safe for about 3 years.
Just saying, because it's great to have a real Supabike around with decent pics thereof to compare and check these things against.
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Post by bowie on May 21, 2017 10:31:30 GMT
Superbike. Not even! Throw that junky Crane derailleur away and get with the slant parallelogram program man  Looks sweet with all that black trim! yumyumyum! And the sun bleached stickers! Love it  |
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