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Post by rogerdodger on Aug 2, 2016 15:36:58 GMT
Hello to everyone. Just to say that I have had my Viscount for over 25 years. It has the word 'Viscount' on the top of the seat stay and the "winged cyclist" on top of the forks. The frame is top of the range Columbus steel tubing. Can anyone tell me what model of Viscount I have. It has never had any lambert equipment. It has Cinelli bars and stem, Mavic GP4 tubeless wheels, Suntour gears and Campagnolo Gran Sport chainset, brakes and pedals.
Gratefully accept any help in identifying the frame
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Post by Jem on Aug 2, 2016 16:47:10 GMT
Hi there! And welcome to the forum. I'd guess the campag wasn't original to the bike but if I had to make a guess I'd say it might be a model called a 600ex ? Others are more likely to know and I am sure a member here has that model.
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Post by cusqueno on Aug 2, 2016 19:31:20 GMT
The only Viscount I have heard of being made from Columbus tubing is this 'Team Viscount' from a 1981 publicity leaflet. Columbus was available as an alternative to the standard Viscount chro-moly tubing. The flyer says the bike had Dura Ace components, but they could have been swapped for SunTour. What SunTour components does it have?
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Post by cusqueno on Aug 2, 2016 19:32:32 GMT
PS. It's very rare!
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Post by suffolkboi on Oct 9, 2016 21:44:25 GMT
Hello Everyone
A couple of years ago I bought a Viscount frame via Ebay and have now decided to get her up and running. A respray is needed, and so is a new bottom bracket. Am I right in thinking that the bottom bracket consists of axle, circlips and sealed bearings?
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Post by robt on Oct 10, 2016 9:23:33 GMT
Hello Everyone A couple of years ago I bought a Viscount frame via Ebay and have now decided to get her up and running. A respray is needed, and so is a new bottom bracket. Am I right in thinking that the bottom bracket consists of axle, circlips and sealed bearings? Welcome to this friendly and helpful forum. The bottom brackets used on Viscounts vary across models with standard English threaded on lower-end and later models but the Aerospace tubed frames, which are typically fillet brazed rather than lugged, are likely to have a bottom bracket as you describe with a design-specific axle fixed between press-fit sealed bearings with circlips. See a recent thread for descriptions of how to remove a sealed bearing bottom bracket, and elsewhere on the forum for tips on re-installation.
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Post by suffolkboi on Oct 10, 2016 16:54:47 GMT
Thanks Robt. You mention a "design-specific axle"; whould a standard axle suffice or does it have to be a particular type?
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Post by robt on Oct 10, 2016 19:16:21 GMT
Thanks Robt. You mention a "design-specific axle"; whould a standard axle suffice or does it have to be a particular type? There are others here who know more about this than I do, but I believe that the 'Aerospace' axle's dimensions are unusual, and don't necessarily allow a simple exchange with some chainsets if the proper chainline is to be maintained. It's also asymmetric, with the groove on the drive side further from the end than on the non-drive side (I think). There is some chatter on the internet about them fracturing at the circlip grooves. Apart from the circlip grooves, the 'Aerospace' axle is plain between the square tapered ends (as pictured below), so a conventional axle with 'shoulders' forming a bearing race is unlikely to be a suitable alternative, though these titanium ones look interesting if they did fit... Untitled by RMT@261, on Flickr
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Post by 54roadie on Oct 10, 2016 23:54:40 GMT
Hi sufolkboi, welcome to the forum and the Viscount club. With regards to your bottom bracket assembly, the links above are quite accurate. I will mention that Stella, an active member here and an excellent mechanic, has tools made specifically for the job. She's in London. Being in Chicago, I've had to beat things about a bit, so far with success. I believe there are several threads in the technical section that will help you out, and both Stella and, I believe Cusqueno, have their own blogs with links to bb removal complete with photos, etc. BB removalspecialized bbcomplete w/ .pdf instructionsStella and toolsWelcome and good luck. Please post photos and progress notes, I love to see that and I'm sure I'm not alone. Frank
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Post by cusqueno on Oct 11, 2016 8:39:16 GMT
The Ti spindles located by robt certainly look as though they might be the business. They appear to have machined sections for mounting cartridge bearings on - the shoulders are just for location, they're not bearing races. So, whether the spindles can be used depends on whether the machined sections are 17mm in diameter, to match the 17 x 35 x 10mm dimensions of the 6003 cartridge bearing. Also important will be the distance apart of the shoulders - so that the bearings fit inside the Viscount bb shell (standard English racing bike 68mm). If the spindles were made for 73mm MTB shells, I don't think the spindles would fit; unless you have access to a machine shop that could machine down the shoulders.
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Post by robt on Oct 11, 2016 11:21:56 GMT
John, I figured there is only one way to find out if the titanium axles fit, so I've ordered one. Apparently there is one more 122mm axle left.
I certainly don't have the equipment to machine titanium if it doesn't match the original, so I will look to see if differently dimensioned bearings would allow it to fit an Aerospace frame, giving an 80 grammes saving over the standard unit. (Roughly the weight of a bacon sandwich!)
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Post by velocipete on Oct 11, 2016 15:25:31 GMT
A bit light on the bacon there Rob! I've wondered if the modern push-fit external bb bearings could be used along with a suitable dimentioned spacer. The world would then be your lobster,axle wise! Cheers, Pete.
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Post by cusqueno on Oct 12, 2016 8:47:31 GMT
Hello to everyone. Just to say that I have had my Viscount for over 25 years. It has the word 'Viscount' on the top of the seat stay and the "winged cyclist" on top of the forks. The frame is top of the range Columbus steel tubing. Can anyone tell me what model of Viscount I have. It has never had any lambert equipment. It has Cinelli bars and stem, Mavic GP4 tubeless wheels, Suntour gears and Campagnolo Gran Sport chainset, brakes and pedals. Gratefully accept any help in identifying the frame The use of Columbus tubing was limited to perhaps two models in the history of Viscount. One was the Dura Ace ax - but that would have come fitted with a Dura Ace ax group set as the name suggests: DA-AX-data by Cusqueno, on Flickr DA-AX by Cusqueno, on Flickr There was apparently also a 'Team Viscount' equipped with Dura Ace ex - different group set - that was available either in Viscount's standard chro-moly steel or Columbus (not to be confused with mid-range bikes labelled Team Viscount): page_2 by Cusqueno, on Flickr
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Post by cusqueno on Oct 12, 2016 13:05:47 GMT
John, I figured there is only one way to find out if the titanium axles fit, so I've ordered one. Apparently there is one more 122mm axle left. I certainly don't have the equipment to machine titanium if it doesn't match the original, so I will look to see if differently dimensioned bearings would allow it to fit an Aerospace frame, giving an 80 grammes saving over the standard unit. (Roughly the weight of a bacon sandwich!) I have a reply from the seller: 'the diameter of the machined sections is 17mm. The distance apart of the shoulders is 50mm.' So, standard 6003 bearings should fit, they might protrude about 1mm either side of the bb shell. I'll leave you to find out if that makes a difference. I should think it would be fine.
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Post by triitout on Oct 12, 2016 15:32:18 GMT
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Post by robt on Oct 12, 2016 16:38:51 GMT
Perhaps the NOS factory has been busy overnight!
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Post by 54roadie on Oct 22, 2016 5:26:02 GMT
John, I figured there is only one way to find out if the titanium axles fit, so I've ordered one. Apparently there is one more 122mm axle left. I certainly don't have the equipment to machine titanium if it doesn't match the original, so I will look to see if differently dimensioned bearings would allow it to fit an Aerospace frame, giving an 80 grammes saving over the standard unit. (Roughly the weight of a bacon sandwich!) I did that - bought a Ti axle off eBay, and found it to be quite well made, and finely machined. The center raised section was too wide, a problem cured by the quick and simple ministrations of a local machine shop. They did the work in ten minutes, and charged me $5.00 USD. Well worth it. Mine is 119mm and seems to give a near perfect chainline. Doesn't Phil Wood make one that works without alteration? Frank
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Post by prosegrandsport on Dec 28, 2017 11:17:17 GMT
Just a quick note to say hello to everyone. I've owned a Viscount since the 70s (SE), bought new and another a year later (Pro). Both were renovated in the last five years. Due to a back injury, I've not cycled much for a while, but recovery has got to a stage that cycling will resume early next year. Despite this, I've added a few other Viscounts - all in excellent and little used order - to my collection over the years. It's time for them to come out of hibernation.
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Post by Jem on Dec 28, 2017 14:31:52 GMT
Welcome to the forum, and the Viscount on-line family!
Hopefully you can get some pictures up in the future...we look forward to seeing them. Glad you've got the itch for the bikes again after a break. I think a few of us on here will be your kind of vintage and did the same thing.
Good luck with the recovery and make sure to let us know how it feels to be back in the saddle after a lay off.
Regards Jem
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Post by seanick on Mar 8, 2020 21:49:49 GMT
Hi all,
I have just saved a nice blue Aerosport. It very low mileage, with no wear on the rims at all! Chain is solid, BB is tight, wheels true but spokes not really tight. Paintwork ok, decals tired, cables solid.
I gave it a clean and there was a vast improvement!
The forks need paint. Does anyone know the colour, or similar? Metallic blue. Will try and attach some pics.
After a good scrub.
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Post by robt on Mar 9, 2020 8:43:35 GMT
Hi all,
I have just saved a nice blue Aerosport. It very low mileage, with no wear on the rims at all! Chain is solid, BB is tight, wheels true but spokes not really tight. Paintwork ok, decals tired, cables solid.
I gave it a clean and there was a vast improvement!
The forks need paint. Does anyone know the colour, or similar? Metallic blue. Will try and attach some pics.
Welcome, Seanick! Thanks for saving another Viscount. I hope you get as much pleasure from it as so many of us here have. You’re in the right place for friendly and helpful advice on its restoration. I’m sorry to say we can’t see your pictures. The site has a limit on directly-hosted pictures, which we exceeded a while ago. If you’re a member of (or subscriber to) a separate image-hosting service e.g. Flickr, you can copy and paste a ‘BB code’ from that app into your post and the pictures will be visible to us all.
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Post by seanick on Mar 10, 2020 0:37:24 GMT
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Post by seanick on Mar 10, 2020 0:42:54 GMT
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Post by seanick on Mar 10, 2020 0:47:04 GMT
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Post by Jem on Mar 10, 2020 21:56:37 GMT
Welcome Seanick! That looks like a classic era Viscount. Well saved. The pictures are working for me. As a matter of interest , is that storage free? It might be that several of us might be able to make use of that service as Flick is now a paid for service after a certain size or number of photos limit
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Post by seanick on Mar 11, 2020 14:49:41 GMT
The link is simply from my Google Photos link. Any mobile photos get uploaded to Google when I am at home, on WiFi and charging. It's actually the first time I used the link. It's free up to a limit. I have loads of stuff on Photobucket that has reached its limit, but downloading is not easy! I will get the frame number this evening, nice to know it's age. Is it Cobalt blue? N
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Post by seanick on Mar 11, 2020 14:52:46 GMT
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Post by seanick on Mar 11, 2020 15:37:03 GMT
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Post by flattyrebikes on Mar 15, 2020 15:14:44 GMT
Good pics of your bike. Nice save and progect
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